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Signed up, paid (or donated, not sure how it works) maximum amount for the app. It’s about $18 for a trial period, then something like $200 per 3 months after the trial. Dirt cheap if it helps. I average less than 2 hours of sleep a night. Some notes.

* They start with a questionnaire about your sleep. But that seems to be like those deceptive political ads that look like a questionnaire but are just fundraising clickbait, because…

* After paying I had to fill out a nearly identical questionnaire. Hey, fuck you and the horse you rode in on, you fucking pricks. You just charged me money to waste my fucking life energy. Hey, did I mention I have sleep problems?

* The app provides some version of cognitive behavioral therapy via insulting cartoons. The main therapist or narrator or whatever is the most goddamn condescending talking cartoon owl I can imagine.

My sleep problems are no joke and being talked down to by an owl animated by a $75 Fiverr gig does not make me feel like a valued customer.

I’m desperate enough to go through with this but it’s not an auspicious start.

I have nothing to do with the product, and I understand the frustration. But if you sleep 2hrs/day you should probably be in a (psychiatric) hospital instead of trying apps. That is very severe, and likely caused by a significant (mental) disorder.

Also, as a side note, cognitive behavioral therapy may feel like it is infantlizing you because it is digging up stuff that an adult should be able to understand and process more or less effortlessly on their own. But that's kind of the point of that therapy.

All good points. I’m seeing my primary care physician with data from Fitbit the first time next week. Normally they just prescribed different sleep drugs, but none does anything for me. I think that up to this point, they probably assumed I was exaggerating the issues.

If this is correct that you are only getting 2 hrs sleep, and not just the data from your watch telling you bad number, your primary physician likely won't know enough about sleep to help.

Go see a sleep specialist.

The drugs will help you get unconscious, they don't help with sleep.

A CBT-I app is likely not the solution for you either.

Current sleep specialist just upsold me another cpap and plied me with more drugs. I don’t think they understand how bad it is, hence the Fitbit.

> The drugs will help you get unconscious, they don't help with sleep.

It’s something. I hate them though

> A CBT-I app is likely not the solution for you either.

I’d sacrifice a goat in Times Square if I thought it would help

You need to see another specialist doctor. Don't give up

Thanks man

I am open to recommendations of psychiatric hospitals that have effective sleep programs. Can you name any?

Might also want to try an psychologist. The person you go to often suggests solutions that they're familiar with. Meaning, if they often cure things with drugs they'll likely give you such a solution.

You didn't really specify the problem. Sometimes it could just be the brain. E.g. sleeping issues occurs more often with ASS. So see various types of specialists so that you're not stuck to the things a specialists knows about. Might be that another specialist more easily can spot your issue.

This sounds like helpful critique, but you might want to edit out the part about horses.

I meant every word. It was exactly what I felt seeing my precious hours on this earth vaporizing to no good end.

These are the same forms a sleep doc putting you on CBD-I will have you fill out.

Except they will charge you a lot more money, have you come to the office and have you fill out the same form 3 times a row (online, then at the office, then verbally while talking to doctor) in typical doctor’s office fashion

I have never been condescended to more than by that fucking owl

Fuck that owl

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good problem to solve, nice personal story, but disappointed it is translating into clickbait+data scraping

How so?

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