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I'm not sure they should have been let into graduate schools the first place. Unlikely Asians of Indian or Taiwanese origin, mainland China origin scientists and students with graduate degrees have not contributed to the US economy commensurate (in terms of startups and R&D talent) with tax payers funding of their education.

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lol Eric Yuan's one company is more valuable than all those tax dollars

Also:

CRISPR (Feng Zhang) -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Zhang

Resnet (Kaiming He) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Residual_neural_network

ImageNet (Feifei Li) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ImageNet

In a better world, we'd all feel good about educating people to bring out the best in them, regardless of where they came from, or where they then go or what they then do.

This is a frankly racist and incredibly ignorant take. Besides those already mentioned:

Frank Yang Chien-Shiung Wu Yitang Zhang Andrew Yao Tak Wah Mak Peidong Yang

And others. Science is meant to be free of politics, and the United States needs to be a place where all the brightest minds can come and contribute, regardless of who came before.

Look up Qian Xuesen, a former Caltech rocket scientist who helped establish the Jet Propulsion Laboratory before being deported in 1955 on suspicion of being a Communist and who became known as the father of China’s space and missile programs. "Alienating" our best and brightest is strategically among the worst thing we could do towards preserving the success of our nation.

He was not deported. He was stripped of his clearance during the ”Red scare” era, then decided to return to China of his own volition, but was held under house arrest for 5 years until 1955. At that time, a prisoner exchange with captured American pilots allowed him to return to China.

It should be noted that Qian came to the United States in 1935, when Japan was in the midst of a full-on invasion of mainland China. He received masters and PhD degrees from top U.S. universities, and held prestigious positions at CalTech and in the U.S. Department of War.

I have read that he was subjected to racial discrimination such as not being able to buy a house in certain neighborhoods.

But, overall, he escaped the Japanese invasion and enjoyed great freedom and success in the United States. He then showed his gratitude and loyalty by going back to China and sharing his knowledge and expertise to build up an enemy of the United States, soon after the Korean War.

I would say, Prof. Qian was an example of exactly what the U.S. government fears.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=CooeAAAAIBAJ&pg=3115%2...

Primary source from 1955: "Scientist to be deported from USA" : "A JPL scientist will leave the US for Red China Friday under a deportation order, the US INS said yesterday."

I'm not familiar enough to expand on your other comments. I personally tried to avoid saying anything inaccurate, and I think historical sources back up my statements.

I am saying that he initially tried to move to China of his own volition in or around 1950. He was detained, probably because the U.S. was currently engaged in hostilities with China-allied forces and then with Chinese troops directly. His attempt to return to China could only be seen as defecting to the enemy.

> He was not deported.

Sorry, I misinterpreted this.

…what now?

i heard they cost the US taxpayer literally twice as much, possibly 3x as much as a taiwanese graduate student. it's incredible, sometimes they cost as much as a million dollars per year which gets funneled straight to the CCP.

You guys subsidize foreigners?

Uni here costs literally 10-20x (depending on year) what it costs for locals.

It is much more expensive for foreign students in the US, too.

And they're generally not eligible for federal student loans.

Uni for international students in the US is extremely expensive unless you're pursuing a PhD, in which case you're usually fully covered by your PI. Although I don't really see how that's costing the taxpayer much unless that number is somehow accounting for the lost value of what someone who stays in the US after finishing their PhD would contribute to the economy.

Universities take most of the money from the student's funding source such that the student is only left enough to take care of their basic necessities, so it definitely isn't costing much in terms of stipends,

I assume this calculation takes into account stolen intellectual property?

It is documented CCP forces this to happen for real fear of blackmail of their family back in China.

not just china. the ccp has operatives in every country. they can blackmail anyone at any time.

they have stolen trillions of dollars this way. possibly quadrillions, but we have no way of knowing. the scale of the theft is mind blowing. in the future it may go even higher.

Blink twice if there's a Chinese secret agent forcing you to post this garbage.

sounds like you're the secret agent if you doubt the scale of their theft.

It's true. My family was blackmailed when I went on exchange in the US. Six flags was pretty fun though

This is sarcasm for anyone wondering

How can one tell? Is there a dog whistle I'm not noticing? Are the stats actually the opposite?

The tell is that a PhD position in the sciences that's worth anything is fully funded - the PI has grants that he will use to pay his graduate students. This isn't about undergrad education, it's about graduate level studies.

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