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pardon my ignorance but why are people posting nitter links every time, what is wrong with original twitter urls?

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Twitter is basically broken if you don't login, compare this:

https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip

https://nitter.net/andrewmccalip

In Twitter the latest tweet I see is from July, in Nitter is 22 minutes ago. Additionally in Twitter I get 3 notices/popups that I need to close.

I was not aware of this, I'm always logged in when I visit twitter

And I'm not.

Links behind logins wall/paywall should be totally forbidden, Twitter, Quora, news websites, etc. I don't even get why they are indexed by Google, as this is cloaking, and forbidden by the ToS (+ gets annoying)

Yeah that would be nice, but pretty hard to enforce.

I just read until I hit the first popup, then I back out.

I'd downvote if I could.

Google gave up on checking or enforcing these things because they'd otherwise lose traffic and ad revenue.

Google has a rule where links from google can't be paywalled. So you can see Quora posts if you enter from a Google link, but not if you go to the URL directly.

We should discourage the use of walled-gardens for public discussion anyway. Otherwise nothing changes ever.

Do you mean closed source software? Because that would rule out Hackernews. But I agree on the principle. Maybe it's the type of discussion. I would be happier if this very exciting superconductor story was unfolding somewhere else than Twitter.

A walled garden is when users contribute the data for free, but the data is stuck. No free API access.

Ah, makes sense, thanks for the clarification

“Walled garden” is orthogonal to “open source”

A walled garden is a site that degrades significantly or is unavailable without an account, like Twitter. Anyone can view all of HN modulo dead comments without an account.

You can have a fully open source walled garden.

I appreciate the clarification, thanks. This forum is open to the public at the moment. Though Hackernews could go down or take the conversation offline at any moment (this is an issue of trust more than anything, and I think HN does a good job, certainly more than Twitter)

Hackernews was released as free / open source some years back. There's a community managed fork: https://github.com/arclanguage/anarki/

In this brave new Twitter-y world, if the Twitter link loads at all (hardly a sure thing lately) it'll only show the tweet without any replies, unless you're logged in. Nitter will show the whole thing (it's ultimately dependent on Twitter so may also be broken, but in several recent partial Twitter outages nitter has been usable while the twitter web UI was not loading).

Twitter nowadays is much more strict about rate limits from non-logged-in clients.

How’s Nitter still working after all these recent restrictions from Twitter?

https://github.com/zedeus/nitter/pull/927

Thanks, but do you have more info on this new authentication method? Is Musk suddenly OK with it? What has changed?

Twitter isn’t loading at all for me at this moment. No idea if it’s me, or twitter or being logged out or logged in or what.

Nitter let’s me see the content instantly.

I do not have account. Even if Twitter links loads (which is not always the case) - there are no comments/thread.

If not logged in, Twitter shows no replies, not even ones in the same thread.

Twitter tries to force sign in/up, when you scroll down through replies.

This allows people without a Twitter account to read tweets and replies. Also, some people (as myself) have blocked Twitter.

Elon is turning his platform to pay for misinformation and rage baiting. No need to support that even passively.

You are not wrong. I certainly was no fan of the old twitter’s ultra woke circle jerk and bullyism but you could at least mostly ignore it and the verified accounts were actual verified people.

Today the misinformation and shitposting crap is impossible to avoid, the top comments are invariably random 8 dollar people (?) that add little to the discussion and porn bots / onlyfans all over the place.

On top of that it seems there might be a bias in the accounts that get selected for payouts and there is indeed quite the incentive for ragebait there.

70% of the payouts in the top tier (10 people) go to Elon

Loads very quickly and viewable without any JS.

Because people on HN love to hate on Elon.

"Elon bad! Twitter bad!" It's uninspired and tiring.

Yes. It must be that and not at all the fact that Twitter is unavailable at worst or degraded at best if you don't have an account. There's something uninspired and tiring but I don't think it's people avoiding Twitter.

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