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you're joking, but there's a whole genre of "adversarial fashion"[0][1] dedicated to making clothing that spams these sort of public data recognition services. Hoodies with license plates, face masks with weird facial features, etc. Often optimized against actual neural networks too

[0] https://adversarialfashion.com/

[1] https://www.capable.design/

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That’s really cool, I wonder effective these designs really are! This reminds me of a font that came out 10 years ago ZXX [1] that was presumably designed to hide from OCRs.

[1] https://www.businessinsider.com/zxx-fonts-that-google-cant-r...

Gait detection renders any of this obsolute sadly.

Something something silly walks

You beat me to it:)

Context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCLp7zodUiI

Luckily my gait is not in an adtech company's database and sold to the government, like my face probably is.

How do you know?

ID phone Bluetooth on passing, or even facial rec, then it gets tied to gait, and it's forever tied.

Just keep your phone down in your third pant leg instead of using a rock.

If you're willing to go to the lengths of adversarial fashion, you're probably also willing to walk around with a stone in your shoe, or in high heels.

Pfft. Stilts, 10 footers, that's the key.

Or dance like you've never danced before: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R46cX0AjzT4

And cost at scale renders gait detection detection and most face detection at scale useless. The sexy movie detection methods all suck.

Go with what works. Just id people via their phones with a dirtbox.

A third pant leg sown on one side with a rock on the bottom will (probably) throw off some algos.

This is a good idea! https://youtu.be/BNhriA2xq9E

And set off hella red flags for everything else (probably wouldn't be too much of a problem if you just say "it's to foil gait detection" when you get interrogated about your third leg. people tend to be cool with all kinds of weird shit as long as it's for a reason). Could maybe work if gait detection is the only adversary in your life for sure.

Put different insoles in your shoe every day

gait analysis is up there with bite marks(https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/apr/28/forensics-bi... )/jeans wear marks(https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1917222117) and other FBI post hoc ergo propter hoc fraud.

If it worked this would be a solved case https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/washingtondc/ne...

snake oil

This made me realize that recent openAI tech is able to cut through misleading or confusing images, even finding the potentially inferred humour or absurdity layered in the images. I wonder how we’ll find a way to trick that kind of technology as well.

I wonder how effective that is considering storage costs are very cheap and an AI can easily filter out images that are either “car” or “not car”

Not hotdog?

This is really cool. Though the Capable Design site with its animations is a bit adversarial to me browsing it.

This is awesome, and thanks for posting this. I had no idea.

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