Movie-Theater Behavior Has Gone Off the Reels
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Gen z doesn't understand how fucking easy it is to market to them - all Macca's had to do is seed a tiktok meme where you drink a grimace shake and then something terrible happens and BAM, tens of thousands of sales or more just bc these people want to post "their version" of the same damn thing to their TT. Let alone half of TT just seems to be "look this things looks cool buy it buy it".
As the article points out things like this (at concerts etc too) have been on the rise but I would find it interesting to determine what the main source of it is. I think it's the same poison as Vine (on which people also did stupid "prank" stuff for clout) but TT seems to have a much larger audience than Vine ever did.
But I think TT is just magnifying a larger, more human problem: there are some on TT that denounce the bad behaviour, but the majority of people seem to be like "ha ha is funi" when watching a video of some TT'er walking up to someone and assaulting them "it's just a prank bro". Ugh.
The biggest problem is that TT is controlled by China - a nation that's classified in Western countries as anything between dangerous to outright enemy, depending on whom you ask. China has no incentive to invest into moderation more than absolutely required by laws (e.g. German NetzDG), but a political incentive to have Western nations fractured - and promoting antisocial behaviour is a pretty good way to do that.
And for Russia, of course.
This is no different to any other Western-based social networks? None of them have any incentive to go beyond the bare minimum, especially considering bordeline/offensive/etc content actually generates the most engagement.
The problem is that we just don't have strong enough legislation to discourage harmful content - because back in the day, nobody thought to legislate against it because nobody thought it would be profitable to actually host & encourage production of various harmful/fake/divisive content at scale.
Revoking section 230 protection from any platform that uses opaque algorithms to promote content to increase "engagement" would solve this problem. It would offer them a choice of either being a common carrier, sorting all content by some primitive metric such as user's explicit preferences or chronological timeline (thus no way to promote harmful content that happens to be more profitable), or become an editor in which they can algorithmically choose the content they promote but then they become liable for it (thus forcing them to moderate very well).
Facebook, Twitter/X etc. all can be grabbed by Western courts. Tiktok can just choose to ignore court rulings and summons, just as Telegram does with German legal issues, and continue to operate with impunity because we don't have the balls to do it - unlike China, Turkey, Iran or Indonesia who have zero problems just ordering domain blocks at their telcos.
Have we tried to (whether for TikTok or the western equivalents)? As far as I know there is no political will to meaningfully rein those companies in because the politicians in power also rely on their misinformation potential and don't want to bite the hand that feeds/brings votes and misleads voters towards them.
TikTok has local subsidiaries in most jurisdictions through which they run their advertising business, which is just as vulnerable to court orders as its western competitors. If push comes to shove, their ability to accept payment from the West can be significantly curtailed which will put a major damper on their advertising business.
The concerns around TikTok evading western law enforcement is FUD that allows to divert the conversation towards a convenient scapegoat (China) instead of addressing the root cause that there's incompetence/unwillingness to actually act on the harmful effects of social media platforms, Chinese and Western.
We are regulating them, at least in Europe, with German NetzDG and the upcoming EU DSA/DMA regulations.
The sub-minute endorphin loops that the attention economy has created have created a subclass of dependent people that are incapable of feeling well without constant interaction with their devices.
It’s addiction in its most classical presentation. We have effectively removed a huge slice of the population from the pool of potentially productive thought in favor of candy crush and ads.
Unfortunately, those people, though they now contribute less than they otherwise would to a functioning society, still consume the same (or even more) resources.
This is one of the many externalised costs of the attention economy and we are all poorer for it.
We should consider the option to liquidate companies that derive their profits from the erosion of cultural resources and at the cost public well being.
The health, societal, and socioeconomic implications of tight endorphin loops are well known, yet we continue to tolerate the pushers, saying it’s the parents or the individuals responsibility (it is, but still, should we tolerate companies that seek to do harm to people for profit?)
Go early in the morning. The 10:00 am Sunday showing of Oppenheimer is likely full of movie buffs.
Go midweek. An emptier theater reduces the impact of phone screens if someone uses one.
Go to nicer theaters with higher numbers of staff.
Go to niche theaters. The non-profit place with the weird snacks is likely filled with movie buffs.
Go to classic movies you missed the first time around.
> Go to classic movies you missed the first time around.
YMMV.
I did this in a nice little theater with a single room. They didn't even sell any kind of snack, just drinks, if that. Went to see an older movie, but a fairly long one (children of paradise). It was a nicer day, too, so not one where people didn't have much else to do.
Cue a bunch of insufferable twats eating a truckload of chips during the whole show, complete with the noisy bags and everything.
Actually, it looks like the one in Sherman Oaks has survived relatively tact under new management (now known as The Culver Theater) but I haven't been so cant comment on the experience.
- Fewer people are going to movies, so the people which are left hold different preferences
- Changing demographics
- potentially just a youth culture thing. I don't know what young people are up to these days, but _more_ phone use in inappropriate situations certainly doesn't sound surprising
Back in the day people would grow out of it, now they have no incentive to if they actually gain money (from ads) or notoriety from doing it.
“acting out” is age “appropriate” and is nothing new, but social media has caused a form of escalation.
where once you might have heard rumors of that brash young man that did the wild thing a few towns over, and happened to survive, now there are “celebrities” that have built entire careers off of their initial public stupidity, and droves of youths eager to follow in their footsteps. because it might be lucrative, or at least cool.
In my experience, inappropriate device use is definitely NOT just a "youth" thing.
The evidence given that it is a trend, pre-show prods to turn off your phone, feels like it has been happening as long as personal cell phones were a thing.
https://theface.com/culture/why-are-theatre-audiences-gettin...
On a tangent, those two are titles that i'll never see even if they stream on something i subscribe to, because the enormous hype has completely put me off.
Just one of many reasons going to movies isn't really worth it anymore, unless you're really in the mindset you want to go and having lights shining / jostling around in your peripheral vision won't annoy you.
We see movies a couple weeks after their release and go mid-week (a 7pm-ish show after I’m done with work). Often the theater is empty. When there have been people nobody used a cell phone or did behavior that was distracting. (BTW bringing a 4yr old to the movies usually means we are the annoying group, like when my daughter singing the songs in the Little Mermaid.)
So my guess is that this behavior is likely limited to opening weekends at popular movies where telling someone you were there by posting a photo on social media is part of the experience for them.
Circling it all into just "kids these days" type discourse is pretty reductive and reddit-brained, I think.
Two empty seats to both sides, one empty row in front and back.
Zero groups of teenagers or loud people, just movie buffs or people who want to watch a movie in peace.
Yeah, sitting on your loud phone and not watching the movie is just strange, of course.
But when everyone else is engaged with the movie, it's a better experience to me.
[0] https://twitter.com/robertlagrant/status/609373147310256128
This isn’t a new problem. Every generation believes the next generation is shite.
I do agree that crinkly candy wrappers and noisy chips in a movie are annoying, but not extremely so.
But I do get irrationally angry when people talk during movies - to a degree that makes it impossible for me to watch MST3k[0] at all. I like the premise, the jokes are funny etc - but I just can't tolerate people talking over a movie :D
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Science_Theater_3000
Makes me wonder if people actually care about the movie at all.