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Yea, don't think anyone (or at least myself and the parent) are arguing anything related to that.

we're discussing the incentives that lead to police becoming thieves. Which is just as important as the police being thieves. Assuming you want to fix the root cause, at least.

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We don't need to disincentivize the police from stealing. We need to take away their legally sanctioned right to steal.

And we need to instate harsh penalties for the ones who continue to steal.

The incentives are what put those systems in place. It's two halves of the same coin. One is cause, the other is effect.

You don't think as long as they have incentive to fine more as it directly influences their budget, that it might affect their actions towards fining and seizing citizens? Are you saying it's unrelated?

edit: To word it differently, do you think solving this one problem will end their association with your money and their budget?

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