Of course engineers rely on intellectual property as much as anyone does.
Of course engineers rely on intellectual property as much as anyone does.
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You need to provide evidence that the source of the Mac OS, Oracle or DB2 would be there if copyright didn't exist.
In terms of proof and evidence, no one can really "prove" anything without actually experiencing the counterfactual world. You can't prove that MacOS X code would not be everywhere, for instance, just as I can't prove that it would be.
The best we can do is look for evidence that suggests how things might go.
And for that matter, why should there be information security laws if there's no intellectual property?
Not if they're bound by contract OR if they conspired with someone who was. In other cases, yes. But what we think of whether it's "fine" or not is irrelevant: it'll happen anyway (try looking for Norton source code on TPB). What it matters is whether we want to fund laws to fight windmills.
And for that matter, why should there be information security laws if there's no intellectual property?
There are many laws under that "banner". What laws do you mean?
If you mean Data Protection, those are essentially mandatory contract terms. Regardless of whether they should exist or not, they're very different, because you're only bound by them if you enter in a contract (implied or not) with the person or company providing you with the data.
Whether that data is "property" or not is irrelevant.
Treating source code as intellectual property is exactly what spawned GPL in the first place, as it is a "hack" that exploits the nature of software licensing.
Can you reiterate your point?
A correct statement would be that the BSD or MIT licence would be unnecessary (except for their clauses that you have to include the copyright notice with your modified program).