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Man I feel for the artists. Seen a lot of outcry among people I've worked with too. It just seems so unfair. Like what are we doing? We automated away one of the most pleasing, satisfing and skill intensive endeavours humans can undertake. A dreadful reality we'll probably have coming to our jobs soon enough too.

Bitter truth is though, it's not going away. The genie is out of the bottle, and if you are a talented artist, you absolutly need to embrace AI. If you take a look at DeviantArt AI section for example you'll see: The bar has been raised. It's masterpiece next to masterpiece now. Talented artists + AI = Simply stunning work.

It feels heartless, but what can we do, will you be able to stay competive without AI? It feels you'll be just hampering yourself for idealistics reasons.

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We didn't automate away art. We automated away the technical skill of digital illustration, which a totally different thing. Now, instead of artists also having to be illustrators, we've opened up being an artist to a wider audience.

People know this but it doesn’t make things better. If you dedicated thousands of hours to mastering technical skill of illustration, it isn’t nice to see the value in that work obliterated overnight.

What makes this so much worse than things like chess AI is that chess is done for fun and the final output is useless. While art is mostly for the output. While the process is fun, it’s fun because of the value of the output.

> we've opened up being an artist to a wider audience.

No, we've opened up the ability for someone who writes a short textual description of an illustration to obtain an illustration ostensibly matching that description for a much lower cost than they might have paid for it before these technologies were available, e.g. by commissioning an artist.

You're right that technique can be abstractly separated from other aspects of the artistic process, but you miss how the inability to guide the application of technique will cut your capacity for expression off at the knees. The prompt is the art, such as it is, and the ability to iterate on versions of the prompt and parameters of the model to random-walk your way to a result that approximates what you were imagining is a very poor substitute for the ability to lay down the brush strokes yourself.

exactly, if you had never seen Greg's work, you wouldn't be asking for it and would never create it. People want the results of someone elses labor.

You can guide the application. We already have ControlNet, and tools like that are just in their infancy. By the time this stuff hits maturity tools like img2img and ControlNet will seem about as advanced as MS Paint vs Photoshop.

> No, we've opened up the ability for someone who writes a short textual description of an illustration to obtain an illustration ostensibly matching that description

Yes, that is the new art form which has been invented and opened up to a wider audience. By analogy, some people used to complain that DJs were not real musicians, because they just play records made by other people. While technically true, this observation is not interesting, because selecting and mixing records to create a larger sonic flow is its own art form.

I have no problem saying that a prompt to an AI system and subsequent iteration on that prompt, model parameters, etc. can be a form of artistic expression. However, the distinction between this form of artistic expression and the form practiced by the artist whose works the model was trained on is substantive and has important moral and legal implications, so when it is conspicuously absent from these discussions I do indeed find it "interesting" enough to make explicit.

While I do think many of them are stunning, there are quite a few that are obviously AI-generated with almost no human interference... Or perhaps none at all. The scenes don't make sense visually.

I think to be commercially competitive, you need to embrace AI. But to just do good art, you can still get there the old-fashioned way. It's similar to CNCs in that you can get a computer to do it for you, but you many, many people still do it completely by hand. And some people go half-and-half.

The reality is that the really good artists will stop feeding their art into the internet and that will be everybodies loss.

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