Sinead O’Connor Condemned Church Abuse Early. America Didn’t Listen

Absolutely.

And, I'll argue again as I have multiple times in recent days, on Internet discussion sites.

(HN repeatedly tone-polices those who speak truth to power, when that speech becomes heated, not only through user actions but in official moderation. I'm aware of HN's justifications. They are extraordinarily insufficient.)

Should speech targeting violence and discrimination against a minority or "protected" group be allowed on a private platform? It is certainly offending people to call for their extermination.

It's odd how silent people remain about this. The CDC said there was an epidemic of "sadness and violence"[1] among teen girls to.. basically no response. I've brought this to in conversations and most people don't seem to care very much. I don't understand it to be honest

1- https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teen-mental-healt...

The article that you linked discusses abuse in America and makes the claim:

> Furthermore, of the public school teachers who have sexually abused children, most are married or non-celibate, and somehow, public school teachers tend to offend in this way at a higher rate (5-7%) than Catholic priests or other clerics (4%).

It cites https://abc7chicago.com/religion/catholic-priest-blasts-idea... as the source for this information. However, the cited article is about abuse in Australia and makes no claims about public schools.

With some quick googling, I found this article: https://jessesingal.substack.com/p/a-lighthearted-dispute-do...

"Katniss, remember who the real enemy is!"

What more direct message do you think would've been better, and how would it have been better? Is there a specific channel, statement, or way of phrasing it that would have materially changed something, in your view?

I don't think you're engaging in this at all, but it was quite a tactic back in the day to tell people who'd been harmed that they needed to speak more directly, and that if only they had done so, the powers that be would've addressed their grievances. Spoiler: that was never the case.

So did I. It was not all clear what she was trying to say.

It wasnt even clear she was attacking Catholicism. Seemed she was mad at John Paul II.

I kind of assume it was about women’s ordination, although I don’t know where that idea came from.

O'Connor's story is a complex one.

As with many people who've come from toxic environments and cultures, she was hurt, flawed, injured, and often contradictory. She suffered from mental illness as well, though whether or not that was a cause or consequence of how she manifested her experience is really unknowable.

It's been obvious to me even as a largely casual outside observer, and whilst familiar with some of her more popular musical performances, not a close follower of her work, that she was under immense pain and suffered greatly.

Her death this week is gutting though long expected.

Among many other aspects, what she shows is how one who goes up against the entertainment machine, against culture, and against long-abusive institutions all but inevitably pays in immense price.

And for her having done so I have none but the most immense respect, not despite, but because of the many ways in which that fight scarred and flawed her.

What's conflicting about this, except that she converted to Islam? She pointed out abuse by the catholic church, the next night Joe Pesci went on SNL and said if it was his show he'd have hit her[1] to a round of applause by the studio audience. She was lambasted by the public and many fellow Catholics, until eventually she and all the children were proven right on the abuse claims. She later left the religion to join Islam which she spoke highly of. It's not entirely surpassing given how she was treated, that she would join Islam(a religion without any intercessors between God and man ex the pope)

1- https://twitter.com/DamJef/status/1684272963325943815?t=9Ii7...