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I like it except their data privacy policy is a deal breaker. I do not consent to having my code submitted to third parties without any restrictions on how it will be used.

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Exactly! It pretty much ensures I can't use this for any confidential work for any clients.

That, and the many teams of lawyers who aren't allowing AI as is, until the copyright stuffs get figured out, means that I probably won't have AI in my IDE, at work, for a decade.

You're lucky, I wish my current employer would bar their use instead of forcing them on us.

Oh wow, that's a situation I didn't consider, but almost certainly the future for most people. I could see something like, "Jerry, why isn't that report on my desk? Are you not using the AI again!?"

Even when you click 'no'?

The way I understand it is that this is during the beta testing. It makes sense to offer it for free while they work out how it’s used and how to improve it. I’m expecting that once it’s paid, there’ll be a far more usable policy.

Yep, I'm out.

Could you please clarify which exactly part of the data privacy policy led you to believe that there are no restrictions on how the code will be used?

Perhaps the screenshot of the yes/no dialog?

https://devclass.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Screenshot-2...

There don't seem to be any restrictions mentioned in that.

1) There's a "No" button in this dialog. It allows you to opt out from detailed data sharing, and you can still use the plugin. 2) In the next plugin update, we'll make it so that the detailed data sharing prompt is shown only in EAP builds of the IDE, and detailed data sharing is never enabled in release builds.

> ... allows you to opt out from detailed data sharing, and you can still use the plugin.

That information isn't in the dialog. If you want people to know that, it should probably be included. :)

Disclaimer: I don't have a horse in this race, and don't use Jetbrains products.

I read the dialog, and the contents is extremely clear - I can send the non-anonymized data to help improve the product, or not. It doesn't say this is a required action to use the plugin. Less is more. I prefer less text with the clear prompt to consent or not. I don't think this needs a fine print of pages long terms and conditions.

"Neither the user nor JetBrains has control over this third-party data processing."

How is copilot handling stuff like this?

You can opt out of sharing your code in the settings. It also lets you opt out of having the ai suggest open source code.

Actually there's no difference in terms of how sharing code is handled. Both Copilot and AI Assistant send your code to a LLM, and neither of those tools will use your code for training code generation models.

The difference is Microsoft owns the model and they have control over the processes that work with our data. We have to take it under faith that you are protecting your users from the undisclosed third parties our data is being submitted to.

The list of third parties your data may be submitted to is actually disclosed on a page linked from the data collection and use policy, and it's not a very long list: https://www.jetbrains.com/legal/docs/terms/jetbrains-ai/serv...

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