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The situation in EU is more nuanced than what HN wants you to believe:

https://www.euractiv.com/section/law-enforcement/news/eu-wat...

> Wiewiórowski said this type of indiscriminate scanning of private communications “will always be illegal under the Charter of Fundamental Rights (and probably under several national constitutional laws as well),”

https://edps.europa.eu/system/files/2022-07/22-07-28_edpb-ed...

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/summary-of-statement-by-the...

https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/leaked-eu-council-legal-ana...

See also the repeated ECJ decisions against IP retention.

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I don't see how calling it nuanced negates anything I said.

From the top of my head, Spain, Sweden and Ireland (but not limited to them) absolutely support getting access to e2e encrypted information if they can get away with it.

https://www.wired.com/story/europe-break-encryption-leaked-d...

Obviously most countries that face this have to deal with reality and the insecurities they might introduce but it's not moral qualms or privacy advocates that usually stop them.

And just because someone in a eu body said something is illegal doesn't mean we won't get a big propaganda push down the line if they decide to implement it, like what happens in vaccine passports in Europe (which clearly broke all kinds of rules of freedom of travel and human rights).

I don't care what HN "wants me to believe" and I certainly don't generally represent popular HN views. We can argue on the merits of what I say.

You're right, but we see a lot of people saying EU wants to ban encryption with the CSAR proposal, using it to argue that they don't care about privacy.

I wanted to bring nuance in the discussion, by posting sources to EU bodies (EDPS, EDPB, many associations, and probably the ECJ if it came to that) and members (Germany, Estonia, Finland per your own link) that disagrees with the proposal, or are outright denouncing it as illegal.

EU, as HN, is not uniform, and while it is not the privacy heaven some claim it is (I don't -- I think GDPR is not strong enough and not correctly applied; the ePR proposal seems to be nightmarish thanks to my own country), nor “they don't care”.

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