An annual physical exam costs $400 USD on average in the USA
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I don’t pay anything out of pocket for my annual physical and I have really bad insurance.
I think this is one of those prices that no one pays as insurance covers it, or you don’t have insurance and won’t be getting any wellness exams paying out of pocket.
I wonder if it’s this level just as a negotiating tactic with insurance. I didn’t look at my explanation of benefits, but I don’t expect my insurance paid anywhere near this much.
Baffling. You obviously pay for it. It’s priced into the cost of your insurance.
Of course, in totality, everyone’s total premiums are paying for the visits, but on an individual basis, those getting the visit and receiving a credit are getting subsidized by those not receiving a credit.
Medicare has long had a law effectively saying "you must offer Medicare the cheapest price you offer anyone". I wonder how much of an impact it would have on the affordability of care if there were a law saying "you must offer cash customers the cheapest price you offer anyone"?
So it’s like a Persian rug store where every rug has a $9000 price tag and then every customer pays $3000.
USA is terrible at healthcare for those that don't have a safety net but many countries, such as UK, are terrible for the middle income/stable job types, because you don't even have options (unless you pay a fortune) without months on end.
It's just a different type of scam.
There's definitely better implementations.
Doctor: € 25 (Of which you get at least half back)
Standard lab test: € 20 (Real cost is € 50 or something)
Still pretty far from € 400.
US healthcare costs are too high in the US because of the broken insurance system. I don't think it needs to become a public system like Europe. I don't see anything inherently wrong with private insurance. But the system needs a reset, back to normal prices.
One of the reason costs are too high is because hospitals, doctors, labs, know that insurance will haggle down so they just overcharge a lot. That's how you end up with an ER band-aid costing $ 500.
The American system brutalizes poor people because it's cruel and stupid. It doesn't save you a dime on your taxes.
I do not believe the average person in the United States requires an EKG every year.
There is some evidence that annual physicals actually do more harm than good.
ACA mandates that a annual wellness check be provided for free to the patient, and that includes a blood test. It may well cost the insurer $400 but that is because that is how they want to run their grift, not for any other reason.
Put these together and I think this is basically irrelevant.
See https://www.bluecrossmn.com/members/wellbeing/preventive-car...
The answer seems "no" for most people.
https://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-it-worth-getting-an-annu...
"Each visit usually costs insurers just $150, but with so many people getting them, that adds up fast.
"We estimate that it's about $10 billion a year, which is more than we spend as a society on breast cancer care,""
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-checkup-for-the-checku...
> Careful reviews of several large studies have shown that these annual visits don't make any difference in health outcomes. In other words, being seen by your doctor once a year won't necessarily keep you from getting sick, or even help you live longer. And some of the components of an annual visit may actually cause harm. For example, lab tests and exams that are ordered for healthy patients (as opposed to people with symptoms or known illnesses) are statistically more likely to be "false positives" — that is, when test results suggest a problem that doesn't exist. Even if these inaccurate findings affect only a tiny percentage of the more than 200 million adults who would undergo such exams, the monetary, practical, and emotional costs are huge.
In other developed (or even developing) countries, going to a doctor if you feel anything is not a financial question. You just go. Also annual bloodwork -- without needing to even do a doctor visit -- is sometimes a thing.
You can go to the specialist you think you need. Got a heart/chest issue: you go to the specialist and do not worry if it is covered or how to pay them.
Disclaimer: lived/live for years in both Europe and U.S. I also have a glimpse of how the japanese system works and South America a bit too. These things are not comparable. You would think North Americas are a different "world far far away."
tl;dr: I find the average in the U.S. surprising. Then I look at the median life expectancy.
That doesn’t mean an annual physical is good for you.
The conclusion that if you are healthy there is a higher chance to have a false positive is misleading.
a) that is true by definition: they have asserted the patients are healthy already; b) statement assumes that in the U.S. people go to the doctor at the same rate as they go in other countries; and thus have a chance to test themselves / do checkups necessary to their particular family/individual risk profile;
So drawing the directive that annual physicals are to be discarded is hypocritical. And to be substituted with "questionnaires" is .. [well I don't really have words.] They are stretching for a conclusion to remove the ~free annual requirement.
(cc from your linked blog study/recommendation): > Second, they acknowledge that if the annual visit is to be discarded, primary care doctors will need to find a more proactive way to monitor their patients' attention to preventive care. They suggest that waiting for patients to keep their annual visits to review this is too "passive" an approach, and encourage practices to shift to "active engagement" of their patients. Ways to do this might include: online risk assessments, waiting-room questionnaires, and a review of preventive care at any visit to the doctor.
Again, fixing that absurdity would be great. Not by giving more annual physicals, but by removing the payment aspect of things like much of the developed world has.
And what would be the "correct" way of handling it? Remember, you don't know that the test returned positive, not that it's a false positive or not. Are you going to tell the patient, "your breast cancer test returned positive, but given your age and other risk factors the probability that you actually have breast cancer is pretty low, so we won't do anything about it"? Even if that's the right thing to do from a statistical perspective, can you imagine the public outrage directed at the bureaucrat/politician that implemented this policy, if it turned out the patient did have breast cancer and died 2 years later?
Perhaps find a nice graphical presentation of the simplest version of Bayes Rule: "the base rate in the population is this, here's what the test means for the part of the population that doesn't have it, here's what the test means for the part that does, here's how your probability went up but that it's still vastly more likely you don't have it than that you do."
Once you're past a certain age there's mammograms and stuff though.
Of course chronically ill or very old people are getting tested regularly, but only for stuff specifically for their illness/situation.
Doesn't stop the "full body scan" ads on YouTube of course, but that's something you'll have to pay for out of pocket and most GPs will recommend against them as far as I know.
It seems to be a very USA-specific concept, but I can't say for sure no other countries do it. I think Japan does it? I don't think it's common in Canada, is it?
Certainly there are people in the US that go for a physical every year, but many of us do not. In my wider circle of friends and family, very few of us bother.