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Strange, maybe you read a bad reporting somewhere. I followed the presentation via Engadget live blog and did not get confused on this point http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2012/03/apple-...

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"Quad-core" is a term very well established in the CPU market, and well understood by the public in that context. Using it to refer to a GPU feature is non-standard and just asking for confusion. Doing it as they did in that presentation, next to "A5X" (which the public understands to be the "CPU", only geeks know what a SoC is) IMHO borders on deliberate disinformation.

"Core" is a very well established term in the GPU market as well. I thought the way the spoke of it in their presentation was pretty clear.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=...

No, it's really not. Neither NVIDIA nor AMD use it in their own marketing, nor does Intel for its Graphics parts. The tech press does, but (and this is important) only as a means to explanation via reference to the term from the CPU world. And even when they do, they have to throw in a ton of caveats about how "cores" don't match up between the very different architectures, etc...

Apple's use of the term "Quad-Core" in that slide is confusing. I don't see that there's any meaningful doubt about that. The more interesting thing is whether it was deliberately confusing.

"Core" isn't even really that well defined for CPUs, look at the controversy over whether AMD's new architecture is 4 clusters with 8 cores, or if you should really count the the clusters as cores but with two threads each.

A good way to do it might be to count the number of structures that can independently schedule memory operations, in which case AMD is correct to call their chips 8 core, but if you use that definition then the "512 core" GPUs are suddenly only 32 cores. Or you could count independent execution units so that the GPU is still 512 cores, but then your "4 core" CPU is now suddenly 12 cores.

"Core" is used in the context of the PowerVR SGXMP chipset in the iPad 3. See this Engadget article from January: http://egglets.com/news/2011/01/28/id-51851/sony-ngp-gpu-sgx...

> Neither NVIDIA nor AMD use it in their own marketing, nor does Intel for its Graphics parts.

Imagination Technology (the makers of the SGX 543MPWhatever), though, _does_. A particularly confusing usage; in this context it means 16 SIMDs. NVidia occasionally also refers to the Tegra 3's GPU as being 12 core; _they_ mean that it has 12 SIMD units.

Neither NVIDIA nor AMD use it in their own marketing, nor does Intel for its Graphics parts.

Well, that doesn't appear to be factual.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=...

And the associated reporting that the public reads [1]:

  A5X processor is confirmed, quad-core graphics!

and

  Now we're talking about the quad-core graphics A5X. [...]

[1] http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/07/apple-ipad-3-liveblog/

Edit: another slide... http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/23/4cg.png/ @ 28''30

Taking a term out of context and then sticking it next to another term doesn't make it clear. It makes it confusing. Think about terms like "irradiated food" (failed in the market) or "nuclear magnetic resonance imaging" (had to drop the N-word) which ran into exactly this problem.

You probably have some idea about how GPUs work, so the idea of having "multi core" ones wasn't shocking to you. Most of the people to whom that presentation was targetted don't have that context. To them, it sounds like "The Quad-Core A5X CPU enables faster graphics!", which is perfectly reasonable IMHO, and matches the use of Quad-Core in other contexts they know.

But Apple, of all companies, knows this already. They are masters of communication strategy. They picked "Quad-Core" deliberately, probably as an attempt to dilute the branding Tegra has already established with it. And that's sleazy.

It's not out of context. PowerVR advertises the SGXMP series as a multi-core solution: http://www.imgtec.com/News/Release/index.asp?NewsID=449

"The technology, henceforth POWERVR SGX543MP, is being delivered to customers in SGXMP2 (two-core) to SGXMP16 (16-core) variants."

I like to think of myself as more technologically aware than an average consumer, and I've never heard of PowerVR. The manufacturers of graphics hardware I do know never use cores in their marketing.

GigaOM published a "quad-core" headline and I'm sure they weren't the only reporters who were confused.

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