Heparin nasal spray may prevent Covid and other viral infections

An antibody test isn't going to prove an old infection hasn't happened. I probably got it in early 2020 before testing was available. I had my first ever antibody test a couple of months ago for a hospitalization. It was, predictably, negative.

I have never gotten it or at least not to my knowledge. I would sure hope that there is a genetic or even T-Cell immunity that could snuff the virus out before it takes a foothold since it could lead to better vaccines/treatments. IMO I think we need to explore vaccines that can develop T-Cell immunity over B-Cells. Antibodies fade and may no longer work as well if the virus mutates, but T-Cells do not have this problem and can actually kill the virus as opposed to creating obstacles for the spread.

I've taken a PCR test every time I've gotten sniffly since 2020 and I have never gotten positive.

I suppose asymptomatic is possible but I also just don't go into crowded places much.

"Asymptomatic spread of coronavirus is ‘very rare,’ WHO says": https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asymptomatic-coronavirus-pat...

"COVID" or "COVID-19" is the disease. I might have had an aborted or asymptomatic infection due to exposure to SARS-CoV-2 but I've never had COVID.

The study was probably motivated by this: https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/news/press-releases/2021/10/...

Note that the study was conducted by companies that are in the business of conducting paid clinical trial for supplements manufacturers, and both were paid by the makers of XClear, so the study should be taken with a heaping grain of salt....

Especially considering that there is no other research suggesting that either xylitol or grape fruit extract is protective against COVID. Both are antimicrobials (i.e., antibacterial) but COVID is a virus.

As far as I know, there’s no receptor for GAGs on cells to mediate their uptake specifically. Usually they hitchhike on some other protein that has a specific receptor/co-receptor. Heparin is actually a sulfated polysaccharide, and not like those other drugs that you might be thinking about.

We've been over this 100 times: very few people can wear an n95 mask correctly. Men have to be clean shaven too, and you're supposed to perform a seal test using a mint spray. They're also supposed to be one time use.

Masks of secondary effects: a global waste problem. It's time to stop promoting these as a "solution" to a non-existant problem.

This is not stupid. The reporting is stupid. The way science here works:

Step 1: People come up with a hundred hypotheses

Step 2: Six of them are confirmed in preliminary studies, five by fluke (false positives) and one true positive

Step 3: The one true positive is confirmed in multiple replication studies

Step 3 is when we get to a reasonable scientific theory or scientific fact.

The problem is step 1.5 or 2.5: Popular press picks up a hypothesis as "science" or (at 2.5) as peer-reviewed science, often promoted by the original researcher.

We absolutely should be investigating heparin, ivermectin, vitamin D, zinc, and other speculative drugs for effects. Outside of exceptional circumstances, we absolutely should not be recommending those for general use until they're validated.

As a footnote, machine learning supercharges this process. It can generate countless speculative drugs very rapidly. The vast majority are nonsense, but the tiny minority which work make it still worthwhile. If we have a something with a 1% chance of curing a disease, it takes, on average, 100 similar trials to cure that disease. For major diseases, that (or even much longer-shot cures) is completely worth it.

It's only by sheer coincidence that I learned I had it. In spite of testing twice (negative) after I developed a very slight cough following an event--which I wrote off to typical conference crud at that point--a couple weeks later I had to get tested before attending another event. (I had no symptoms of anything at that point.) And I tested weakly positive.

If I hadn't been attending the other (actually third) event, I'd never have known.

I believe that people who have been consistently super-cautious and generally avoided indoor crowds may have avoided catching it. But most people who travel, shop in stores, go to indoor events, etc. have probably had it even if they can't prove it.

Home COVID tests generally don’t show results from most asymptomatic cases even if they are actively fighting it off. It’s a question of viral loads being high enough to kick their immune system into high gear without being high enough to be easy to detect or easy to infect others.

Chances are he got COVID and fought it off without particularly noticing which isn’t in any way unusual for healthy people. 1+ million dead Americans demonstrates it’s a serious disease, but that doesn’t mean everyone was hit equally.

I also never had COVID, and the "weird shit" I put up my nose is a saline / bicarb solution in distilled water. I'll skip the brand name, but your drug store carries it.

And there are peer-reviewed studies about its efficacy.

On the other hand, I don't have kids & wasn't in crowds very much, so there's that.

Same. I haven't caught covid or any cold in three years now. Working remotely, use an N95 in public spaces.. Happy introvert without kids.

Isn’t it impossible to know if you haven’t had Covid once vaccinated? (Because you will test positive for antibodies regardless)

> Am I alone in assuming that spraying heparin your nose would give you a terrible nose-bleed?

Seems like you're not alone.

> People can participate in the trial if they live in Melbourne, are aged over five and have a household member who is also willing to take part. People who have a heparin-induced allergy or have had recent severe nosebleeds are ineligible

Yeah it's real easy to avoid getting sick if you don't work a service job and stay away from crowds.

Similarly, I've never been in a skydiving accident. Because I've never been skydiving.

> don't have kids.

Kids have the to be the biggest spreaders of sickness in the US.

I recently met an introverted and also reclusive person who was still spewing discontent about the entire covid operation, everything from its existence to the vaccine

I thought that was funny, like an internet commenter still stuck in December 2020 but in person

Not saying thats you, your comment just reminded me how disconnected some people are