Teddit Is Shutting Down
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I can understand the iOS apps, the App Store hegemony does kinda force this and there were cases of Apple removing apps that interact with an online service without that service's permission. But web, desktop and Android apps have no one to force them to comply with these kinds of rules, yet these are also shutting down.
It wasn't always like this. 15 years ago, when ICQ was huge, everything with a screen, keyboard, a network interface, and a way to run arbitrary code had an unofficial ICQ client for it. Most people haven't ever seen the official clients. That's just one example. What happened?
When that app shut down, it just felt natural to leave Reddit behind.
I opened an account on Twitter instead, having never used it before.
The leadership of Reddit always seem to have been hated by the users, but I feel this might be the final straw that sends it the way of Digg etc.
It feels a whole lot like people who threaten to move to Canada every 4 years.
The thing with centralized social services though is that network effects exist. You can't just switch from Reddit to Lemmy or Kbin the same way you can switch between Windows and Linux.
The official reddit app uses a seperate, undocumented graphql based api rather than the public REST one they allow for public use. I suspect someone is/will be already using it to emulate the 'old' API soon enough.
Better to stay logged out if you’re gonna browse with an unauthorised client.
Besides, the client could keep a list of subreddits you like anyway, and retrieve posts from those instead of from the default front page.
Worst reddit can do then is to IP ban you bat at least they won’t be deleting anything that you’ve been spending time to write.
Even factoring in the risk of a rug pull, it makes more sense to use an API than spend ongoing constant effort reversing a first-party one that will keep breaking on your users randomly and need urgent fixes all the time.
I mean, if you have a public API, it makes sense, engineering-wise, to build your internal API on top of that, doesn't it? But apparently not everyone does it like this.
Old reddit for example uses the reddit API essentially directly. now with new reddit, there's been a split, and it looks like from my count that reddit is currently supporting like 7 different APIs internally, parts of them all used in various different places. The reddit API is pretty functional and most of what anyone would ever really want to do was already supported in the API (and therefore available basically with few current restrictions).
Few of the actual undocumented/internal APIs on reddit are all that interesting.
[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/14nbw6g/updated_...
So, for example, if those clients have only a fraction of the features of your internal clients, it may make sense to relegate them to a separate, stable backend service while you work on your internal one. But if there's just a couple of internal methods and everything else has to be public, it probably makes sense to have a single backend.
There's a lot of in-between cases, and that's where an engineering architect shows his skills in choosing the right approach.
If you're asking about the moderators, they were forced to either reopen or be un-modded. They did what they could.
Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work.
Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?
> Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work.
Not sure what you mean.
Where? By who? For what platform? Show me?
If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of single company, I think we could have had the possibility at least of having true communities.
Now, if you had said "if we had spent the time building a better NNTP protocol and servers", I would have agreed. In the end, that's basically what the fediverse is.
I feel like it would have been easier to fix NNTP. It had at least a clear focus.
HN is where I’ll be for my daily news stuff, and I’m actively looking for communities and forums around my more niche interests and hobbies.
The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information that has gone into every minor sub-reddit. I don't think it's sub-reddits like /r/askreddit, /r/pics or /r/politics that people would be missing in a Reddit clone. It's all the small specialized sub-reddit, where you could get help fixing a lawnmower or debate the finer points of the various aspect ratios of national flags.
For instance you mention "debate the finer points of various aspect ratios". Current social networks are not very good for actual debate, in fact the genesis of Sqwok can be traced to a live debate in r/worldnews where I grew tired of refreshing the page. Many of the alternatives popping up for both Twitter & Reddit are cloning the underlying data model and user interface without offering much more.
Sqwok is different in that it couples some of the familiar aspects of existing social networking with high quality instant messaging, designed from the ground up for live public debate and discussion in a new format. Still has a long way to go but I believe there's a place for it.
> The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information
Reddit didn't start out with subreddits or millions of people, it was just a fun place to read the news.
Please don't use only your tech and stats goggles to analyze the situation, understand that we are talking about people with a vast range of experiences and wants and needs.
Lemmy has grown exponentially in the last few months and I've found it to be an adequate replacement after learning the basics.
I was skeptical about reddit in 2008 and hesitated to leave digg.
With the necessary "not a lawyer" disclaimer in place: in the case of Reddit's APIs (or anyone else's), AFAIK the issue wouldn't a trademark or patent issue, per se -- an API can't be patented (or trademarked), and it's debatable whether they can be copyrighted. (A case between Oracle and Google involving Java's APIs made it all the way to the Supreme Court, which kind of punted on making a definitive legal decision as to the copyrightability of APIs.) But, making unauthorized use of them could almost certainly be classified as a breach of contract, e.g., a violation of the end-user license.
The fact that they're installing an alternative app kinda makes them super-users of Reddit anyway, so asking them to generate their own personal API key shouldn't be too unreasonable.
It just seems strange that the app would choose to completely shut down instead.
It would lead to a cat and mouse game and Christian is not interested in that. Why should he bend over backwards to improve user experience of a platform that is working actively against him?
Do you mean the old one? That's probably also getting scrapped in the near future, I'm guessing.
Assuming you are on android since you patched the app. Did you manage to do it without data loss? It's annoying to turn on httpcanary every time I launch rif.
Crony capitalism and big tech monopoly is what happened. These companies achieved success by doing innovations once but today they no longer want to work the hard route of innovating things. Instead, they're using the "legal" and convoluted route that involves closing the source code or build processes of everything, acquiring the small competitor who tries innovation and shut it down, encouraging walled gardens and non-standard APIs everywhere, etc.
When ICQ was huge, it wasn't your average joe sixpack using the internet. Now that it is, there's a lot of money to be made.
Some developers got free passes. I know of some. Total level playing field.
edit: looking at the list of cases, and knowing that the US legal system relies on precedents, it feels like using an online service's private API is allowed under this act.
If someone uploads their AWS token to Github it isn't legal to use it even if it was made public.
I'm pretty sure these kinds of services where you can incur significant charges by using the API have a stipulation in their ToS that any API calls performed with your key are considered to be made on your behalf. Kinda like banks do with online banking, "everything done online under your login is considered as if you've done it at a branch with paper forms". Regardless of laws it's still your own responsibility to protect your credentials.
Isn't it do similar operations to extract videos from websites?
MSN messenger quickly took over after it was released in '99.
I remember hearing at the time that ICQ remained popular in Russia and other Eastern European countries for much longer than it did in Western Europe though.
All the interesting content and communities are gone, it’s just facebook news edution now.
The fact that without the associated secret, an API key is useless.
Android (at least with the standard Google services) seems to provide an implentation of this through the play integrety API [0]. I'm not familiar with the internals of that system, but I have worked on this type of system for a much more constrained use-case.
If I were designing this, my first pass at a napkin design would be:
* Devices running the app must have a TPM. This TPM is loaded with a private key that is intended to remain highly secret. Corresponding public key is well known.
* During boot, "everything" is measured into the TPM's Platform Configuration Registers (PCRs). To measure something into a PCR, you update the PCR value as: PCR[n] = hash(PCR[n] || measured_value).
* The TPM does not (in this use-case) have a notion of what the "correct" values of the PCRs are. However, it can use the secret key to sign the PCRs values. Forging this signature would require either breaking the underlying crypto, hacking the TPM, or learning the secret key contained within the TPM. To prevent replay attacks, the TPM includes a nonce sent by the server.
* The device sends the server a list of what firmware/kernel/OS it is running (everything that was measured into the TPM). The server determines what the PCR values for the claimed configuration should be, and validates the signature that the TPM generated
* You now know that the OS is "trusted", and can now trust the OS to verify that the app is signed by a given public certificate and is running in a sufficiently secure environment.
Redirect_uri helps with webapps that run on a standard web browser. However, if the client is not a web app (or, is running under a properly modified web browser), it can simply ignore the redirect.
Oauth2 does contemplate a client_secret field for client authentication. However, such a field is useless on public clients.
The oath2 spec is very explicit that client_id can not be used as a means of authenticating clients.
I hope so, but we need a winning instance first. When you search for Lemmy right now you're sent to a page that begins with "Join a Server... Run a Server". That kind of first experience will never replace Reddit.
Lemmy.world seemed to be winning the SEO battles in my Google search. Is that a good one?
Edit: Sorry for changing my entire post; I had incomplete information about Lemmy at the time.
If you have a community on Reddit which you want to migrate you just need to find a stable instance with admin policies you consider reasonable. If it's a big community with really active moderators you might even want to start your own instance. If Lemmy needs anything it's probably a managed hosting provider like masto.host that could make it easy for large communities to run their own servers.
This kind of fragmentation is pretty bad in terms of UX.
The fediverse is not like that: with a single account you can subscribe to all discussions, participate anywhere. Fragmentation is only when you don't participate: once in, all discussions appear on your instance, everything is reachable.
> You can make a thread on /r/linux on the lemmy.example.com instance and will not appear at /r/linux on lemmy.example.net
That's not how this works. You control what appears, not the instance.
Likewise, can you have a reasonable expectation that others would do the same — so it doesn’t matter which server you post your questions on?
Yes, by design. You do have to search for all that exist, but you can follow them all from your own instance, provided your instance and the remote instance allow federation.
> Likewise, can you have a reasonable expectation that others would do the same — so it doesn’t matter which server you post your questions on?
I don't know yet the usages on the Threadiverse, but it is expected that people at least know the multiple communities that exist. The discussion about merging happens constantly, with pros and cons, and no easy decision for anyone
I thought about creating something like r/all, but you can get something similar on any instance if you filter by posts + All: https://lemmy.sdf.org/?dataType=Post&listingType=All&page=1&... . This will be restricted to whoever that instance federates with of course.
Sure, I could start my own instance, but that's a high bar.
Too many choices when you want to lazily scroll a reddit equivalent defeats the purpose.
If you want to understand what the fediverse is about, here's a nice link: https://joinfediverse.wiki/What_is_the_Fediverse%3F
Also, and separately, huh? You can share links on lemmy without logging in. Look, here's one:
So, you can visit without being prompted to select a server. You can sign up without having to look through servers. And you can share links without logging in.
So what am I missing?
I get the sense that there are a lot of competing visions for what Lemmy should be, and I am not interested enough to put myself in the middle of that.
There's probably an opportunity to start a modified instance that avoids all this identity stuff and hides the federation aspect as much as possible to make it look like a seamless unified community. That's something I, and I presume many others who were turned off by their first experience with it, might well join.
So the thing you say you wanted, it was literally right there on your screen and you were looking at it.
You can't "visit lemmy". Which instance did you visit and signed up, lemmy.ml?
You an also exercise bad faith and construe those as overly literal references to a singular "lemmy," and position yourself as offering a correction wherein you explain what the fediverse is, a correction which depends on that bad faith interpretation, which appears to be your game here.
Good. Let the eternal September remain on Reddit. The rest of us can go back to the roots of what keeps online communities from becoming cesspools like Reddit and Twitter.
The lessons I've taken away are that it's dangerous to get too invested in any one network, and when network effects get too big they do more harm than good.
That would defeat the purpose. Lemmy is a fediverse application. The whole point is decentralization. A winning instance would concentrate power in the hands of one admin. We don’t want that!
No, that's just a marketing lie.
The biggest instances have politically-charged "codes of conduct" that other instances are forced to adopt or be defederated. IIRC, some instances even require those rules to be applied transitively, that is, they will defederate from your instance unless you enforce their rules on all instances that you federate with, and so on.
The whole point of Lemmy and Mastodon is political control, while convincing people that it isn't so. I'm honestly astonished to see how many smart folks are falling for their lies; mostly, I suspect, because the Fediverse's political leanings pander to their own biases.
What exactly are the lies? No one group is in control, each fiefdom is free to do what they wish, including not consorting with those they feel are of ill repute or temperament.
As far as being "politically charged", that's just the way the world (well, ok the US at least) is now. Blame the culture warriors who can only think in terms of how something fits or does not fit into their world view, and seek generally only to pander to their base.
That's not true in practice. The purpose of a social network is to communicate with others. Network effects ensure that the biggest instances grow ever bigger, and thus not federating with them effectively means not participating in the network. If those instances then impose their rules on other instances under threat of defederation, and further demand that other instances do the same, again under threat of defederation, the "free" network turns into a monoculture that is effectively controlled by whoever runs the most influential instances.
Claiming that you are still free to do as you wish under these circumstances is like claiming that you are free to do as you wish on the Internet, as long as you don't connect to any other computers.
Imagine if email, a truly federated system, worked that way. It would be utterly useless. "Sorry, you can't send mail to user@example.com, because example.com does not require other domains that send mail to it to abide by our code of conduct."
Maybe news to you, but that's exactly how e-mail works. DKIM, DMARC and all the other anti-SPAM measures amount to exactly that. If your server is not proven to abide by the "code of conduct" of not spamming people, your emails get nowhere.
And speaking of fediverse and "network effects", you might not realize but besides the westernized section of the fediverse, Asia has a large community which is mostly defederated on mainstream instances because of what people consider questionable content. They are probably larger in actual numbers.
So federation does work as intended. What you really want, I suspect, is to shove your questionable political opinions down the throats of folk that don't really want to be subjected to them. And somehow being told no, is everybody else's problem and not your own.
Nonsense. Anti-spam systems block spam, not content an unaccountable cabal deems politically undesirable. That comparison is laughable.
> So federation does work as intended.
If the intention is to split the world into silos, each of them populated by a different group of moral absolutists, all of which consider all other groups so abhorrent that severing all communication with them is the only acceptable course of action, then yes.
Perhaps that is indeed the intention. Perhaps the prevailing attitude of our time is that this is the only way. However, I'm old enough to remember an Internet that didn't work like that.
The business model matters. The answer to the question: how does the platform earn to maintain its work?
If there is an answer and it is explicit (no matter what it is and how much someone likes or dislikes the business model), it is much better than if there is no answer or it is implicit.
Because everything implicit and muddy can be the basis of anything, for example, of hidden but paid propaganda. The injection of ideas is not so annoying at the initial stage, a good nurse gives painless injections. But then the substance will certainly begin to act. A harmless substance may cause a desire for spontaneous purchase and is therefore generally safe. But harmful substances are different ...
Intrusive ads are the lesser of evils. If we think about it well, of course.
I wonder what are you calling "politically-charged code of conduct here". Do you have an example?
Are you talking about that one single instance that became famous for having a strict code of conduct?
The question in response seemed like open curiosity.
(When I talk about Mastodon's CoC, I am talking about the CoC of the main federated network; you get defederated from it if you don't share the same set of rules)
You disagree with it so it's politically charged. You're not even offering a definition of politically charged, just the scare words.
Beyond that, you're not even looking at the relevant document, but making a statement based purely on what you "imagine" it contains.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with their code of conduct, but I feel that you're exhibiting the very behaviour you were attempting to call out and portray as "always bollocks" originally.
It's not what you feel is "common sense" (or rather, you imagine that it isn't) so therefore it deserves to be marred as "politically charged."
No hate speech (for example, no "derogatory posts" based on gender) -> politically charged. ///// No posts or comments supporting or promoting QAnon related content or similarly disproven conspiracy theories -> politically charged.
If you want to look at it the other way, if there was a mastodon instance that said "no pro-immigration propaganda" or "no discussions about abortions" then it would be politically charged as well.
Of course if you ask Mastodon's people they will tell you "you can't just promote a conspiracy theory like qanon, that's common sense". The other way, "abortion is murder, you can't discuss how to murder babies, that's common sense". But no, it's not "common sense", it's politics. YOu don't want people to discuss the politics you don't like in your instance. Fair is fair.
That's my point, I hope I made it more clear.
Which Lemmy rules were you looking at? I can't find anything from the project itself except for a code of conduct for contributors.
The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse. I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense.
Also, question: Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?
I was talking about the main lemmy instance, https://lemmy.world/ - if you look at the sidebar it says: "Be polite and follow the rules (https://mastodon.world/about)". That's what I linked to, above.
>The mastadon link you shared is applicable to a certain instance but doesn't seem to apply to the wider fediverse.
The main mastodon instance, mastodon.social, will defederate from you if your server has users that break those rules. I admit I haven't found any similar rules in mastodon.world, but I have to imagine it works the same (see below)
https://mastodon.social/about is the main mastodon instance of the fediverse -> click on "Moderated servers" to see the list of blocked servers and the reasons, like "disinformation" or "hate speech", which are politically charged. mastodon.world has chosen not to disclose their list of moderated servers, but given the list of rules, I predict a similar (or even the same) list. Mastodon servers of the main fediverse share a moderated servers blacklist through some mechanism that I don't know much about.
But.. this discussion was not originally about the server blacklist but about whether the set of rules had a political slant or not.
>I also don't see them claiming anything as common sense.
I imagine that someone who doesn't want to admit that those rules are politically charged will claim they are common sense - at least that's the way the argument has been presented to me in the past.
>Would you say free speech absolutism is politically charged?
Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.
> Allowing everybody to express their political opinions without censorship is the opposite of a politically charged moderation.
And that's just common sense!
The smartest people will always fall for the most blatant lies and false ideologies. That's because it's a tantalizing challenge for their intellect, to try their hardest to twist logic and words to fit with the lies. Then they derive evil pleasure for making less sophisticated people believe their lies, or even fall so far down the hole that they start believing the lies themselves. Normal people usually just call bullshit and move on with their lives when some false ideology pops up.
The fediverse allows you to be connected to whomever you want, and if they're part of an instance whose rules don't agree with you, then those persons also don't agree with you; why should they be subjected to what you want to say ?
Join the fediverse by building your own instance, the more instances the stronger the network. But don't expect everyone to be willing to talk with you, that's not how societies work.
I don't believe that healthy political discourse is even possible on social media in the first place. Especially not if the political posters are anonymous.
The advantage with Fediverse and Lemmy in particular, is the fact that creating multiple accounts on left-wing/right-wing/neutral instances is pretty easy. You can add all your Lemmy accounts to a (web) app like vger.app and voila you can now join every political discussion on Lemmy in an almost seemless experience.
Political control is thus harder in the fediverse than on centralized platforms like reddit or Twitter. But even if the platform managed to discourage political segregation, the people will still look for every possible to segregate themselves.
We already had a decentralized Reddit—-it is called The Internet.
"federated" means "servers talk to each other".
So, like email. There's only one Reddit, but lots of places where you can get a mail account.
Stuff is moving a lot currently and there is a bumpy road ahead, but there are several courses of action already being mapped out (scraping html, r-e the private gql api, a setting for operators to put some auth token, ..).
That being said, self host if you can, it's way faster than the public instances even without the rate limit.
This line doesn't make sense, since it doesn't "cut costs" to make a user use a particular user-agent instead of their preferred browser, nor does it "protect their bottom line".
There's a potential argument that using custom clients that block ads costs Reddit ad revenue, but it wouldn't if using custom clients had been made a perk of, say, Reddit Premium which is already ad-free.
There's an argument that somehow Reddit is "losing out" on third party client subscription revenue, but that's like saying web sites should share revenue from a commercial web browser, or ISPs should share revenue from subscription web sites. Hard to argue for either if one believes in net neutrality.
Some others were more questionable, like the ones that automatically scraped Reddit and archived all posts and comments so that there was always a way to retrieve a deleted post or comment.
Or the ones that scraped Reddit to build datasets for machine learning purposes.
In the end, the golden law of common sense stands: jerks make it hard to have things that are built on an expectation of good faith.
- Searching info to solve my problems, obviously
- Entertainment… depends on niche
That’s it, okay maybe also po- (jk)
Takes one look at Lemmy
No, it isn't.
I think the client makes all the difference.
This includes the "new" (aka default) reddit website for me.
Thanks for sharing.
I wish there was more info about this front end, and some way to ensure that it persists.
The repository is here: https://codeberg.org/teddit/teddit
Individual instances appear to be shutting down. This is one of them.
What's your point?
I admit I used to spend hours a day on Reddit. Searching for info, random browsing, gaming advice, etc.
I've got all that time back. I am pleasantly surprised that I don't miss it.
I thought I'd feel something, surely. I thought I had a relationship with the content. I don't. I didn't.
I remember when Twitter did the same thing, but they realized it early and did it when there were not too many apps that users were used to.
I feel Reddit will come out fine from this. A minor hiccup. Mods will be replaced, apps will be forgotten and users will talk about this whole thing in some AskReddit thread.
The sad fact of the matter is there are no viable alternatives to Reddit for the average redditor.
On mobile (where I used to spend reddit most time) their own app is so crap I don't even have it installed, so I have no easy way to browse. On Chrome I'm not even logged-in, so I only use it whenever a google search leads me there, but I don't post or do anything meaningful.
All in all, it feels like a really stupid move. If you are going to kill the apps, then have a decent alternative. Otherwise, just charge them a profitable but not stupid amount. And if reddit is losing money, maybe just look at their headcount and start there...
- https://github.com/rystaf/mlmym - old.reddit.com styled client for lemmy
- https://wefwef.app/posts/lemmy.world/all - voyager which is almost pixel perfect recreation of apollo (but in a web app that you can just "add to homepage" on ios)
I use old.reddit, and I am also not the average user.
Most of them use the newer UI.
Most of them are not even aware of what an API means.
Most of them don't care.
I have been observing the site for sometime now, and except for pics and a few others, I did not find any much difference between before and now.
Also, most users use the official reddit app.
Kind of like using Firefox mobile with Ublock and YouTube background play add-ons to watch YouTube
* Low information density, even on the “classic” setting.
* Auto-play videos which cannot be disabled. Only auto-play on the feed can be disabled.
* A terrible video player.
* Ads.
* Lack of basic QOL features like swipe to upvote/save.
* A terrible navigation bar at the bottom, suggesting users performs activities Reddit wants, rather than activities common for the user.
In general, the app has been designed to be profitable for Reddit, not intuitive and functional for users. This shouldn’t be surprising to anyone.
- not sure what you mean by information density. I’m not sure how much denser information could be without making the font smaller
- auto play videos can absolutely be disabled (even on ads)
- video player seems to work fine to me?
- ads are part of their revenue stream. And as far as ads go, they’re not even intrusive or annoying. If ads keep the site going, I’m happy to have them
- swipe to vote would be nice, but Pushing the vote button really isn’t torturous
- I only use the notifications button on the bottom and it’s right there, so not sure what the issue is.
Maybe the app was a lot more terrible when you last used it but I don’t think it’s as bad as you think it is.
The existence of the share and vote buttons under each card and comment means fewer submissions and comments are visible on the screen at any one time.
> auto play videos can absolutely be disabled (even on ads)
Only on the card view. If you tap on a video submission it will auto play.
The rest of your comments are opinions, and while I respect them, I don’t agree. I tested the app before making that reply. Maybe you should accept that different people like different things than you do?
did everyone forget that reddit didn’t have an official app for years? they ended buying one of those for their official client
there was never going to be an easy way to rip that bandaid off because their platform grew with the help of these developers
Stripping API access was just a giant 'fuck you' and experience downgrade to the small group of savvy users who won't ever use new reddit no matter what roadblocks are put in their way.
This small group includes the moderators and power users who make most of the content and moderate it.
Reddit might pull it off but we need to wait and see the long run effects. It feels like the structure is intact but it has rotted from the inside.
The posting bots ("The words in your comment are in alphabetical order! I have read 4534654573657 comments and yours is only the 425834061th one in alphabetical order! Isn't that interesting?") are annoying as a wedgie on a hot summer's day but they seem to be the only thing that's still around.
Things that actually improved the Reddit experience, like third party mobile apps, are gone. And so therefore are many users.
I've seen too many declines, and I'm inclined to think this is the start of Reddit's. They are destroying their community to get to that IPO. But we'll see.
Who's building a new, unstoppable, Google, that will just gather all this content up, and make knowledge freely available to humanity?
On the other hand, sites like reddit made it so easy to start a community that interesting people who would've built a forum instead hitched their wagon to reddit, like AskHistorians.
most people on reddit (including myself) are there to lurk, not really participating in conversations, but reading content, memes, news articles, etc.
is there room in the new reddit API charging scheme to, say, snapshot all the most popular NN subreddits, including conversations, every 6 hours or so, and cache and serve that read-only snapshot to visitors (in a separate app, web UI, whatever)? maybe even charge $.99 a month or something for the privilege of never having to log into reddit?
Reddit Front Page: https://reddtastic.com/r/
Is this not the case?
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/150ozmc/twitter_has_l...
I think it encapsulates what is happening and what can be done about it pretty well.
I'm tired of tech companies being run by puritans.
Showing users nudity for free is fine. Making them pay for it means you're selling porn and the payment processors ban you.
Reddit wants to make users pay for viewing content. They can't get away with that if the content is NSFW.
Why can't that just be accounted for in the processor's rates?
People pretend their purchases are fraud or regret their purchase later so they chargeback more frequently than other services.
>Why can't that just be accounted for in the processor's rates?
Because it's easier as a credit card processor to just drop all of your high risk clients and focus on serving the rest of your customers as best as you can. Of course that leaves a whole in the market for other credit card processors that charge more for allowing higher risk purchasing.
This is the advertisers
Advertisers don’t want to be associated with that. No dead babies. No watch people die. No horrific injuries. No sex. No weird/freaky/strange/whatever sex.
They want to advertise next to unobjectionable content so they can’t be drawn into stuff or have their reputation tarnished by accident.
https://www.reddit.com/r/getnarwhal/comments/14kt9wj/narwhal...
https://www.reddit.com/r/RelayForReddit/comments/14n876v/upd...