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I lost count of how many times there was a comment about a lack of data

> The city is left in the dark about the exact number of driverless taxis operating in its streets, and the miles they’ve traveled.

> city transportation leaders this time around informally collect their own incident data using 911 and 311 calls

> Friedlander said the city can’t make definitive conclusions because it doesn’t have detailed data.

Yet Google and GM say things like

> “Every single day of delay in deploying this life-saving autonomous driving technology has critical impacts on road safety,” Waymo said in a statement.

On the face of it Google and GM are lying

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Or Google and GM have the data, but aren't sharing it because people will overreact because despite it being an order of magnitude safer than human drivers, it still has some incidents that people will focus in on.

That doesn't sound plausible to me. If it were demonstrably safer they would surely be transparent about that

Sounds like apologia to me. Share the data and stop telling us how to feel about it.

Humans cause fatalities 1 per 100 million miles.

There is no way to truly evaluate safety being an order of magnitude better until we have 1 billion miles driven.

You can crash less often (reduce fender benders) but kill more people (have rare but egregious errors) so I am not interested in seeing statistics about incidents or collisions.

It is actually at 1.5 per 100m miles now. In some countries, like China, it is much worse (63k a year!).

California law requires all accidents of autonomous cars resulting in "property damage, bodily injury, or death" be reported within ten days.

All of this accident data is publicly available with details about every accident. For example, Waymo had four accidents in May and four accidents in June.

[1] https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto....

Sounds like an extremely arrogant and biased comment showing the blind righteousness of tech and its followers. How else can tech build trust with the public than via transparency? Think about this for a moment.

On the face of it, we don't know.

It's just he said she said.

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