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While what you are saying is true and the market is moving towards long term solutions because of environmental reasons, at the moment the lifespan of electric components in bikes is usually set at 5 years with 2 years of warranty for the consumer.

Bikes are made of aluminium these days instead of steel, which gives them a lifespan of about 10 years, certainly not 30.

If you buy an ebike, you must be prepared for maintenance and replacement of parts. That's the state of the market right now.

I agree that making an app mandatory for a bike is a bad idea, and I would never buy such a solution. However this is an urban city design bike, aimed at a specific group of customers who do value these kind of innovations.

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> Bikes are made of aluminium these days instead of steel, which gives them a lifespan of about 10 years, certainly not 30.

Absolute bullshit, especially for a city bike.

Stress cycle is an issue but city bikes are over engineered and don't see a lot of stress compared to every other type of bikes.

I've used alu bikes over 30 years old daily and I had no issues whatsoever, that's how I went to school everyday for 3 years, and that was a race bike that actually had been use for racing in the past

Online posts make it sound like alu bikes self destruct at 5 years and a day...

Old fashioned steel bike lovers live in an alternate reality where bikes not made of steel are all experiencing catastrophic frame failures left and right.

My experience as long term employee of a big bicycle manufacturer is different.

Yes, aluminium can survive a long time. But in general steel has a better chance to survive. The category of city bikes are low cost bikes, and the frames are as well. They are not so over engineered as you think as it is a very competitive market. The first generation VanMoof frames for instance, were prone to breaking.

While it is possible for a aluminium frame to reach 30 years lifespan, in practice the lifespan is shorter. This is because steel is more forgiving, it can handle dents and scratches where aluminium is more prone to breaking. Also the frames are usually hand welded and this can too be a weak point as it is hard to perfectly weld aluminum. It doesn't mean you can't ride a 30 year old aluminium bike or that it will auto destruct. It does mean that the bike is unlikely to reach that age.

Is aluminium more brittle then? My aluminium frame has plenty of dents and scratches and its about ten years old. I've another thats 25 years old but isn't ridden as often.

Do you know what the median lifespan is of an aluminium frame? I guess it depends on how often its crashed?

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