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What would be the greater loss of life and harm to innocents- allowing China to continue, or world war 3? Because war with China will definitely devolve into a global conflict.

We couldn't even get India or Brazil on board with sanctions against Russia for invading Ukraine, and nothing short of military invasion will stop the CCP from doing what it does. Devout religious faith is entirely antithetical to the CCP rule- both in the idea of a higher power from the state, but also China's history wrt. the boxer rebellion and other movements.

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> ...nothing short of military invasion will stop the CCP from doing what it does.

Why do you think that's true?

The CCP, IMHO, is well aware that the real hard part is Western states even slightly slowing their roll on outsourcing every damn thing to China. Sanctions could absolutely work, but they're a double edged sword at this point.

China views what it is doing to Xinjiang as social policy- core to their identity.

Sanctions and trade pressure may swing the needle on some economic policy, but the "harmonious society" ethos is so deeply ingrained in how the CCP stays in power that I do not believe they are going to budge.

that is a false choice often used to justify the inaction

>> Because war with China will definitely devolve into a global conflict.

We're risking global conflict with Russia now to save Ukraine. People are willing to engage in global conflicts as long as the victims look like us.

But when they dont look at us, we dont care. People will say it outright

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/17/chamath-palihapitiya-says-no...

CNBC: Billionaire investor Chamath Palihapitiya says ‘nobody cares’ about Uyghur genocide in China PUBLISHED MON, JAN 17 20226:00 PM ESTUPDATED WED, JAN 19 202210:02 AM EST thumbnail Amanda Macias

Ukraine amounts to giving military aid to a sovereign country. Potentially controversial, but not exactly "instantly cause WW3" material.

Your proposal is, what exactly? Airdropping crates of machine guns over western China? I'm sure that'll go over great.

>Your proposal is, what exactly? Airdropping crates of machine guns over western China? I'm sure that'll go over great.

The CIA is already dropping weapons in Western China for the locals to carry out terrorist acts. Its the primary reason Uyghur extremists groups were being isolated from Chinese society.

Knowing the US population, they will stick to willful denial of this particular fact for about 2-3 decades while the ruling class continues starting fires around world that send these poor people right into a hellish reality.

Uyghurs, meet the Syrians, Iraqis, Yemenis, Afghans, Palestinians, Libyans...etc that had this western template run on them.

>But when they dont look at us, we dont care

Complete load of trash. The situation in Ukraine is significantly less complex the situations (like Syria) and yet people still like to claim it's about race.

Ukraine as a country is fighting against an enemy with the end goal of joining the western sphere of influence. It's not a messy civil war. It's not repression inside another country's borders. It's not a migrant crisis caused by a failing economy.

Going by your link by 'look like us' you mean look Sri Lankan like Chamath Palihapitiya? Are you saying Ukrainians look Sri Lankan and that is why the USA is promoting the same policy of Russian(and prior to that Soviet) containment that has been our very public policy since the 1950s and that we allocated over a hundred billion dollars in military budget on every year since then?

First, Russia is a pathetic country that has its hands full fighting one small country (not the first time either). China has the industrial strength of like 12 Russias, and unlike Russia, its army is more disciplined, and isn’t made up of a bunch of convicts and sick alcoholics. And we know Russia knows that we know how weak they are, so for all their bluster they wouldn’t dare attack NATO, nuclear or otherwise.

China is a whole different story than Russia. They matter.

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