100x Faster Than Wi-Fi: Light-Based Networking Standard Released
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This is the main selling point I think, but not intentional jamming... regardless of the inherent lower latency, lower jitter and higher throughput, unlike wifi none of these aspects are hampered by proximity to adjacent signals from other networks and other EM sources.
Even if people don't want to kit out their entire house a la PoE, it would be a nice benefit to have this work side by side with wifi... bad signal? just walk into the room with the router, auto switch to lifi and it's effectively as good as wired. Also more devices automatically using lifi when wifi is not necessary will alleviate interference for everything and everybody else where it's actually necessary. It's a win win technology.
It's also interesting to see something move (relatively) quickly from experiment to standards proposal. I suppose that's due to the practicality of this tech.
Having a network that expands using a non-interfering frequency would be a godsend. Especially given the limited number of channels for existing WiFi standard.
I'm also so curious how this ends up working in practice. Even using infrared, would it interfere with things like baby monitors in night mode? The Wikipedia article says it can be tuned to be less intense than humans can perceive, but I'm curious if that's true in practice. (Granted, babies don't typically need Internet access while they are sleeping, but maybe the monitor itself does.)
But each frequency has different things that are opaque to it, and travel different distances before dropping off.
Wi-Fi is already “really low frequency, really low intensity infrared light”, so I suspect the article is correct when it says we won’t notice it.
water is one of many thousands of compounds having polar bonds
- it's true that there isn't a precise frequency needed for microwave ovens to heat food
- however, "polarity flipping" is just a description of electromagnetic radiation itself, and shooting enough EM radiation at food in a frequency range it absorbs will heat it up via dielectric heating
- microwaves have no relationship to any specific resonant frequency of water - the vibration frequencies are orders of magnitude higher https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_... while rotation response inherently does not have a peak
- otherwise, yes, the motion of (polar) molecules induced by an electric field is indeed the mechanism of dielectric heating
No, infrared by definition starts around 300 GHz and goes up from there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theore...
Wifi is 2.6 Ghz or 5Ghz, visible red light is 430 terahertz.
Or it sounds like LiFi is just pulsing the lights on an off, in which case the Nyquist Rate that was invented for telegrams is a better analogy
I like to explain to my kids that it's all colors - we are transparent to some (such as X-rays) the same way some fish are mostly transparent to the light we can see and walls are transparent to the radios we use in Wi-Fi, and also that both snakes and bees can see light in colors we can't (snakes see IR, bees see UV).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shannon%E2%80%93Hartley_theore...
Maximum channel capacity depends on signal bandwidth and SNR.
This is not true and is unrelated to Shannon's theorem.
Shannon's theorem shows us that wider bandwidths allow for larger bit rates. At higher frequencies our bandwidths can be bigger. For example a band from 1 to 2 terahertz is 1 terahertz wide, which is 1000 times larger than a band from 1 to 2 gigahertz (1 gigahertz wide).
The total bandwidth available (including multiple channels) for 2.4 GHz Wi-Fi is about 100 MHz. The total space available for this new standard is 800 to 1000 nm [0], which is 450 THz. That's 4.5 million times wider than Wi-Fi. That is why you get higher bit rates with this new standard, AKA more throughput, or more "bandwidth", when the term is used to mean data rate.
Suppose we have 1Hz signal, what stopping us from sending/receiving 10 or 100 bits of info every second by modulationg amplitude of signal?
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplitude_modulation#Spectrum
Modulated signal could be expressed as sum of signals with different frequencies, but will it be registered by receiver as signal at these frequencies?
Suppose we send 1hz signal with length = 1 hour. In the middle we change amplitude of one wave to 1/2. Does recievers recieves mix of different frequencies?
No need for higher frequency content. But SNR will have to be good enough.
Shannon's limit tells you about the total information capacity of a channel given its bandwidth and SNR. This is usually achieved by using deeper modulation than theoretical, and using error-correcting codes to recover the lost data.
> This is not true and is unrelated to Shannon's theorem.
You are correct that it is unrelated to Shannon, but it is still true. The higher your carrier frequency the higher your theoretical maximum bandwidth (in the correct meaning, i.e occupied spectrum), you can never have negative frequencies, so modulation the maximum bandwidth you can modulate a 1Hz to is 2 Hz (modulation bandwidth extends to positive and negative frequencies). A 10 Hz carrier can be modulated to 20 Hz...
> Shannon's theorem shows us that wider bandwidths allow for larger bit rates. At higher frequencies our bandwidths can be bigger. For example a band from 1 to 2 terahertz is 1 terahertz wide, which is 1000 times larger than a band from 1 to 2 gigahertz (1 gigahertz wide).
So you are contradicting yourself? Not sure why you said the earlier statement is not treu?
If you're referring to the infrared LEDs that illuminate the baby, their light is not polarized, while light used for communication is, so a polarizing filter in the receiver can filter out such noise.
https://epilepsysociety.org.uk/about-epilepsy/epileptic-seiz...
This came immediately to mind which when comorbid with infrared sensitivity is likely to trigger people without any apparent cause to third party observers....
People forget that the average human barely see jack sht compared to the remarkable exceptions of our species, let alone that such exceptions often have disabling/uncommon conditions comorbid with thier remarkable capabilities.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethernet_physical_layer#1.6_Tb...
[2] https://ntrs.nasa.gov/api/citations/20210026855/downloads/sp...
For your second question, I'm not sure how baby monitors work but the proposed wavelengths are unlicenced and there are little if any rules for how to deal with interference. There are rules for eye safety of laser which limits the maximum energy that can be delivered to the output. Generally as Li-Fi gets more common we will have to learn to deal with interference as it arrives. For example, Lidar systems (older, noncoherent ones) interfere with one another and are even susceptible to interferece from IR motion detectors and such, but these aspects have to be considered during design.
They specified that they wanted to be 100x faster, and they added parallel channels, until they reached that goal. No, really, this is the real reason.
It is entirely nonsensical to ask for a physical reason, because different channels are just different.
On the other hand, I don’t see the draws outweighing what seem to be clear setbacks. E.g. if I put my LiFi enabled phone in my pocket mid download, it will completely cease to work.
What is interesting is the idea of a much more comprehensively connected future. E.g. imagine a building either both Wi-Fi and LiFi enabled, with automatic switching between the two based on which is less congested and provides the best speeds. As our daily bandwidth footprint grows, I can see the benefit in having multiple spectra for information transmission.
> Of course, Li-Fi isn’t going to sweep away Wi-Fi and 5G alternatives (nor wired networks). Radio waves still have a distinct advantage with regard to transmission through the atmosphere at great distance, and though opaque objects. Instead, work must concentrate on using horses for courses – with Li-Fi advantages being harvested where possible.
The light part, sure, but the regular radio wifi part will be fine; it'll be slower, but it won't go away. Ideally there's seamless transition between the networks, LiFi if you have your phone out and there's a sender in the receiver's signal, WiFi in other cases.
If we decide that moving from Li-Fi to Wi-Fi is important, we can make it seamless.
As per your EMSEC use-case, this is also a privacy benefit, as your pocket becomes a defacto faraday cage guaranteeing that your devices can only transmit information when you want them to.
I have many questions, especially how a LiFi receiver works. wouldn't this essentially need to be a high speed camera with very few pixels?
Does anyone have recommendations of a dev kit, or transceivers to play with this? Also, ones that don't cost several thousand dollars?
A camera sensor 'pixel' is just a device which conducts proportional to the amount of photons that hit it. A typical digital color camera uses CMOS chips to do this, with a filter on top of them to isolate red, green, and blue. It is pretty basic; the real trick is getting millions of them on a 1/4" sensor and having them relay the data properly with a reasonable amount of noise.
So, yes.
A camera is a device which receives light signals and translates those into an image of some format.
A photovoltaic cell in a solar panel is a device which generates electricity proportional to the number of photons that hit it.
A photoresistor is a device which resists current in proportion to the number of photons which hit it.
See now, such a LiFi transceiver would not necessarily be termed a "camera" any more than the infrared sensor in urinals is a camera. I believe that's the way we want it to be, right? LiFi has no use for producing images, only translating light back into network and signaling data. That's not called a "camera" by any means.
But if you took those devices and made an array of them you can make a camera sensor. Ergo, if you take one element of a camera sensor you have a light detector element.
"A camera is an optical instrument used to capture and store images or videos, either digitally via an electronic image sensor, or chemically via a light-sensitive material such as photographic film."
See now, a camera is the whole instrument, not merely its image sensor. But a camera uses an "image sensor". What is an image sensor?
"An image sensor or imager is a sensor that detects and conveys information used to form an image. It does so by converting the variable attenuation of light waves (as they pass through or reflect off objects) into signals, small bursts of current that convey the information."
So there is no way we've described what's going on in LiFi. For example, you walk up to a urinal and the infrared sensor detects you. Does it paint an image of your privates on a website? No. There is no camera in the urinal, hopefully. The urinal is only interested in whether you are standing right there or if you've left. The urinal does not employ an "image sensor", it uses something dumber.
Likewise, do your solar panels use cameras? They conduct based on exposure to light, don't they? But what is a solar panel concerned about? It generates electricity, not images. A photovoltaic cell is not an image sensor because it has nothing to do with images.
What would your camera be if I disabled the viewfinder display and eliminated its ability to save files on sdcard? Would it still be a camera if its sensors produced electricity but it couldn't provide me an image based on that conduction?
LiFi is not using something dumber, but LiFi is likewise unconcerned about creating images. Since a camera is, by definition, concerned with images, LiFi does not use cameras.
I think you should take a step back and look at this logically and stop trying to be right.
I think you would benefit from this advice as well; and I did attempt to apply logic, but you're ignoring the quoted Wikipedia definitions, and essentially we're just talking past each other, and I have no idea what sort of terminology you're trying to throw around now because it doesn't evidently have anything to do with LiFi tooling as it is.
If you still think that is wrong, then that's fine I guess; it's your opinion and you are welcome to it.
The essence of a bicycle is not a motorcycle with a human motor. However, that is a very good analogy for what a bicycle is.
So how did cameras start? Well, the word is literally Latin for "room" because a man would go into a small, darkened room with only a pinhole opening at one end, and he could observe an image projected on the far wall.
So the original "camera obscura" had no lens or sensors at all! It was essentially a refractive element and a screen. The observer could then paint or draw according to the projected image he perceived with the image sensors in his eyes.
Off topic, but I sense great pun potential here.
I'm a little surprised that IEEE has already standardized, especially given the wavelength they chose but I imagine their members were forced to adopt a prolific technology as without a standard they risk the technology moving ahead without them.
[1] https://www.ofcconference.org/en-us/home/about/archive/ [2] https://spie.org/Publications/Proceedings/Volume/12413?&orig...
Or more simply, maybe it could be done in YouTuber style by a light-emitting diode on Tx antenna port and a photo-sensitive diode on Rx antenna port? Switching speed of Tx side LED could become the limiting factor in that case.
But you forgot the most important aspect: Is side-fumbling effectively prevented?
Definitely has a niche application in areas where RFI is to be minimized.
I mean I got a palmtop (a Palm V iirc) for cheap well after they were commonly used and I never used it for anything important, but still, it was a cool device. I think I have it somewhere still, wonder if it still works. I mainly used it to play Sudoku on though.
My first thought on reading that headline: isn't that single/multimode fiber?
Kind of how radio being a wireless telegram system:
> You see, wire telegraph is a kind of a very, very long cat. You pull his tail in New York and his head is meowing in Los Angeles. Do you understand this? And radio operates exactly the same way: you send signals here, they receive them there. The only difference is that there is no cat.
* https://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/02/24/telegraph-cat/
This time the tail is fibre and not copper, but without the cat tail.
It might be different now with VR and the rise of docks.
The question is whether it's possible to create a full-rate 224 gbps transciever that is cheap enough to appear in mid range phones, notebooks and TVs and whether it would work without line of sight, but in the same room, with reflected light.
For those like me confused about how this would even work.
Of note is that the first commercially available Li-Fi system has been available since 2014, and it hasn't gained any traction?
Probably for the normal early reasons, too big, fiddly, and pricey. Someone must have finally shrunk and/or cheapened it enough for a large segment of enthusiast or business for it to gain more attention again.
there is an example of a school using it, and the students have a usb device in their laptop to read the light, but is it slow upload or are they also connected to wi-fi?
https://archive.org/details/computernetworks02tane/page/56/m...
Open floor plan offices. (Sigh.)
Datacenters or server rooms. This could give quite nice data rates within a rack.
The cost of datacenters is not currently constrained by fiber.
There is wifi in datacenters -- usually for the benefit of visiting techs. Not for inside a rack.
Incidentally, if asked to set up 20 workstations on an overgrown table, and it's not a very temporary thing while the office is in turmoil, I recommend finding a different employer.
Better network speeds in a room surrounded by Faraday cages with MR scanners in them.
Optical is an option but a right pita to run without holing the cage or circumnavigating it.
I can only think of useful for conference where everywhere there's light.
But for offices, schools, conference halls, and other place with many people together it could be useful as a very fast zero-wire solution. Even then it'll be niche: most office workers or conference attendees don't need 100Mbit let alone more than 1Gbit. But some will: maybe said office is full of video editors and such.
Remember that the bandwidth is a shared resource like WiFi: that isn't "up to 224Gbit/s for every device in the room" it is "up to 224Gbit/s for every device in total". And that "up to" value is for ideal circumstances: there will be some environmental interference (though LOS limitations will work in this techs favour there) and, more significantly, the more devices you have in a given collision domain the more they will interfere slightly with each other too because they can't share the group resource with complete efficiency (and this difficulty grows exponentially after a certain threshold). Get a couple of machines transferring arbitrary data as far as they can via WiFi, take the total of transfer speeds they are getting and now add more machines doing the same. The total might scale well for an irritation or two of this test, but there will be a pint when it significantly won't and the total bandwidth will actually fall (and latency will shoot up).
The main push for 5G mobile networks wasn't better max bandwidth per device, but better performance (latency and throughout) for every device when you have a lot of them sharing the same collision domain. The headline figure of 224G bit is (while not at all dishonest) just that: a figure to gain interest via headlines. Those who actually have a need or want for such tech will be looking much deeper into it than that.
Why not just implement 2D DCT in TensorFlow or PyTorch or whatever you use, and keep the entire pipeline in GPU memory?
A quick glance at the TensorFlow reference shows that it already has tf.signal.fft2d. I suppose you could just implement tf.signal.dct2d similarly.
(Disclaimer: I haven't used TensorFlow in a while, I've been doing everything in PyTorch of late.)
How do you build devices capable of producing or consuming data at that rate? I looked up the data transfer rates of RAM[0], and this is twice as fast as the fastest species of dual-channel DDR5.
[0] https://www.softwareok.eu/?seite=faq-This-and-That-or-Other&...
But I'd assume that if you're in a datacenter, you can use physical wires since you control everything.
Or are you saying that A > B might use half that data rate while X > Y uses the other half?
So "where several other devices intersect" seems like reasonable first thought for where large speeds are needed.
The original article unfortunately quotes incorrect units: 224 Gbps (gigabits per second) is NOT the same as 224 GBps (gigabytes per second).
It's a very nice feature. Imagine not having to share bandwidth with your neighbors.
> Wi-fi works across walls, around corners and so on. Is this possible with this li-fi?
Think of this as a wireless ethernet cable. Instead of having a jack in the wall, you have a light fixture in the room.
6 GHz Wi-Fi ("Wi-Fi 6E") is going to be a big help with this. Many more channels than 5 GHz, and the higher frequency means it doesn't travel as far. As someone who lives in a high-rise where 5 GHz is already pretty crowded, I'm looking forward to more devices supporting it.
I'll be honest, I don't see Li-Fi taking off for normal consumer use. Few users are going to be interested in arranging their home to have direct line of site between their access and point and game consoles, TV, etc. And there would need to be some very fast and reliable mechanism to handover between Li-Fi and Wi-Fi, so that you don't cut out when you, for example, move your head slightly during a VoIP call.
Oh cool, so if you want to hack a network, you just have to tap into their power line by climbing a pole or opening their service box. Kind of just like how people would climb telephone poles to make long distance calls.
e: over post limit
I assumed it would need LOS. I'm wondering if light bounces off reflective surfaces like mirrors would meaningfully degrade the signal.
I am not convinced here, especially that picture that data doesn't leave the place. Eavesdropping thru windows is a thing.
> can disrupt my wife's livestream by pointing the TV remote and it and jamming random buttons
Imagine peripheral devices capable of much more than they are today merely because of more bandwidth.
Imagine how useful it would be to have a wireless NAS capable of acting as an iSCSI target without having to worry about running cables.
And as “spatial” computing use cases increase along with extremely high res formats like ProRes, we’ll quickly find ways to use the extra bandwidth.
But when you have a lot of devices in the same collision domain (like WiFi, and hubbed rather than switched networks of old) this is a shared network leg: get a 50+ devices in the same room pushing data back & forth at various rates and I doubt you'd see anything like the theoretical total bandwidth of 224Gbit/sec for that network leg (and latency will shoot up). Maybe you'll still reliably get 1Gbit/device which you wouldn't with other tech, but you won't see anything like 224/50+Gbit per device. Try doing anything much on shared WiFi at a large conference, or on your phone's non-wifi data capabilities in a large public venue with hundreds of other phones even just idly interacting with the network, and you'll see what I mean.
The speed figure is just a headline figure, and attention grabber, not actually misleading but not at all as meaningful as the headline writers might think. The more important details are how well the tech works when congested, how much how many devices can do before the effective available bandwidth falls through the floor and/or latency figures reach for the moon. That 224Git figure is the upper limit for the whole collision domain (the room, as this is an LoS constrained technology), much like 56Mbit was the upper limit on 802.11g and 11Mbit was the upper limit on 802.11b (how often did you see those rates even on aggregate with more than a couple of devices active at a time?).
Chiral ghost Internet?
Just because the average human can't see it doesn't mean it won't affect any humans or animals
Tons of animals see infrared and this Will have negative impacts on environs it's used in as a result.
Theres even some humans who actually can see partly into Infrared/UV and this is just evil to do to them.
I call this a moronic suggestion.
People don't even realize when thier clothes have UV reflecting materials which affect birds (eg hummingbirds) so ofc y'all don't comprehend not accept what I'm saying, you literally don't know about this problem with human materials we have scattered all over which are negatively affecting creatures outcomes as we constantly trigger thier basic natures.