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> An IDE makes the entry into programming much easier and fun.

then they shouldn't have picked java as an intro language.

"University and high school don't pick Java as the intro language challenge (impossible)"

I think that should be caveated with 'you should try it _once_'.

It is more than possible, but for anything non-trivial, it just sucks.

Using IDEs for java or for python invariably sucks, in my experience. Id pick command line over and IDE for anything but debugging any day. Because on the command line it is very clear what you are actually doing- in an IDE everything is filtered through the invented language of the IDE.

Oh, wait. That's why I hate Java? We used Netbeans in university...