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I really love the new view. I'm glad they finally adopted the Outlook/Evolution layout, as I've always found it easier to reason about. I'd been using Evolution as a result, but this is tempting.

Anyone know what the Thunderbird -> MS Exchange or OWA story is these days?

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Do you mean a corporate instance of Exchange your company is hosting? If so have the Exchange admins enable IMAPS [1]. I've used Thunderbird with Exchange in the past. The admins can also publish SRV records in AD or DNS to give Thunderbird some hints depending on your corporate configuration vpn vs lan vs public. The use of a VPN should be encouraged to avoid exposing a public endpoint and bots brute-forcing AD accounts leading to lockouts.

For their Microsoft 365 / O365 use [2]

[1] - https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/exchange/clients/pop3-and-...

[2] - https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/pop-imap-and-smtp...

This will depend on if your org will use conditional access or not. CA policies will generally kill non modern auth protocols like imap and pop3.

Yep my org shut down imap about a year ago. So I set up a rule in my inbox to forward everything to a gmail account, and I access my mail from there.

That sounds like some other form of corporate violation. At least I know my friendly megacorp would frown on that.

It was their suggested solution, so....

infosec guys hate him

FYI that's leaking corporate data on purpose

Depending on which industry and country you are in, you might be committing a crime.

I like it.

> If so have the Exchange admins enable IMAPS.

That seems highly unlikely in any org that hasn't already done it. But good luck, and godspeed to those who want to give it a try, but if history is any guide not only is "no" the worst thing that can happen, but the odds-on favorite.

Yup I've been there. I find that if I ask the same question worded differently every 3 to 6 months I might get a different answer depending on who is reviewing my request, especially in bigger companies.

Owl is still the best option as far as I am aware.

https://www.beonex.com/owl/

The site is not clear, but if it's server-side, it's a non-starter for pretty much everyone. Do you know where it runs?

It's a client-side extension for Thunderbird. It works extremely well, in my experience.

It's client-side, and works very well for email. It used to be that email notifications through Thunderbird waited until your next email refresh interval, but I noticed they are coming in at the same rate as the Outlook clients after the last update to Owl.

Calendaring through Lightning is incomplete and experimental.

In the "spaces" vertical toolbar on the left, Owl has added a Teams button recently, as well. It opens the Teams O365 app in a tab in Thunderbird, which I really like. I haven't had a chance to check if any meeting or audio features work there.

I've used Owl with Thunderbird to connect to Exchange in the past, I'll vouch for it as well.

Bummer on the model. Would be really nice if I could just pay some amount, say $100, to get access to the source and the extension.

For some things I guess I don't mind closed source from a small company, but my company mail probably isn't one of them.

You get the source ... technically. You can unzip the XPI and you'll have all the code there.

Interesting. Do you know then how it enforces subscription?

There's a licensing server and users seem to be identified by the email addresses they use Owl with. At a glance it seems like it checks for a valid license every once in a while. The code that does it has a couple paragraphs at the top saying something along the lines of "yeah it's all here, there's nothing stopping you from stripping it but please don't redistribute it then because it's my livelihood thank you."

Thanks. Very cool, that's basically the model I was hoping for (that or open source with some identifying watermark per install). I'll give it a look.

> Cheap, 2 coffees per year

Price: 10€. Starbucks really did a lot of damage here. 2 coffees should be 3€, not 10.

The coffee is cheap. It's the milkshake, chocolate drizzle and whipped cream they add to it that adds to the costs.

Probably correct. I only ever drink coffee black with no sugar and I can't ever being surprised the few times I got my coffee at a Starbucks.

Yes, but I was more complaining bout how the concept of "Starbucks coffee" took over the "coffee cup" concept.

Davmail works.

https://davmail.sourceforge.net/

I use exquilla[1] for some years now. It is paid though and costs 10€/year. Furthermore it is only mails...

[1] https://www.exquilla.com/

Why does this website look almost identical to the Owl website below?

edit: Same pricing, same exact signup form and "Domain Licenses" page, etc. but way worse design. I'm guessing this is a knock-off of Owl? Or worse?

Same company owns both. IIRC, exquilla came first.

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