So how do you extract profits then?
So how do you extract profits then?
At least that’s they playbook they’re all using.
https://www.channel4.com/programmes/ben-elton-the-great-rail...
When we sell our public investments for a quick buck we complain when the real cost of the service gets priced in. The trouble is, we pay the same taxes still, they just no longer go to the service we privatised, so we feel it in the pocketbook individually.
Presumably those taxes are going elsewhere now, but I was very happy with them going to core public services.
https://www.barrons.com/articles/usps-louis-dejoy-post-offic...
I, for one, think it's a good thing that people are entitled to their mail regardless of the profitability of their mail route. That's the point of a public service.
Among other core competencies, USPS has nationwide daily coverage of the entire United States and centuries(?) of experience interoperating the the respective mail services of every country in the world and then some.
Amazon wont even take MY package one town over.
That said, the service provided by the USPS nowadays is primarily delivery of paper waste into a receptacle I am obligated to empty because very occasionally they also use the same box for packages.
USPS is not a business, and it’s a fundamental mistake to pretend it is, solely for the sake of slandering it.
Amtrak gets surprisingly small amount of money.
However that doesn't change what I said so I'm not sure why you are bringing it up. Amtrak most likely wouldn't be profitable if they had priority.
Each big city we came to we had to stop and wait without having any idea how long it would take for “freight traffic to clear”.
I love train travel, and I’m not price sensitive at all, but the delays were completely absurd.
USPS delivers to remote addresses no one else’s will on route that will never make money.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railtrack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_Rail
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southall_rail_crash
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladbroke_Grove_rail_crash
Edit: To be 100% clear the badly maintained infrastructure was the responsibility of a for profit private company at the point where people died.
> The passenger train operating company had failed to inform Railtrack and the signaller that the automatic warning system (AWS), which warns drivers of adverse signals, had been turned off in the cab of the HST.
But Ladbroke Grove was Railtrack's fault entirely (within the first few years of its creation). Meanwhile it's been 20 years since National Rail was created, when do we get to blame current governments and National Rail for bad infrastructure?
Railtrack made a lot of money by selling off land, and other assets, under invested and generally underperformed
> Railtrack made a lot of money
"Made" implies creation, growth, increase.
This is the opposite of what happened.
The money wasn't made. It was /extracted/. They /extracted/ a lot of money.
Railtrack doesn't have that money. Their succeeding entity doesn't have that money. The government doesn't have that money. The taxpayer doesn't have that money. None of that money was invested such that any of these entities might benefit from it in any way. It was removed from the system into private wallets.
The private owners plundered and fled, and the remaining skeleton was socialised again so it might regrow a bit of flesh from public taxes for the next extraction cycle.
I expect the maximum profit sweet spot actually includes a small amount of penalties. If you don't get any penalties at all, you are probably leaving money on the table re service cuts.
My experience in the UK and Germany is show up, pay, go, and it being cheaper.
This is arguably illegal and only exists because the govt refuses to enforce the obvious interpretation of the agreement.
Meanwhile, the US DOT has historically always taken the approach of "the solution is more highways. What's the problem?", losing far more than $1B/year.
If you find their service to be good and cheap, I can only assume you've never ridden a train in Europe.
I think the extent to which freight shoves aside passengers varies from region to region. My worst experience was going to West Virginia from DC. I find the Vermonter keeps its schedule pretty well.
You might as well say that the US military makes a $1 trillion loss per year. No, they supply something which is required by the govt and which has a cost.
2.) Raise the regulatory bar to prevent startups from entering your field.
Milk whatever half dead infrastructure you have and people depend on.
Oh and raise prices every odd year while still not investing in the rotten infrastructure. Somehow investors need to see growth and dividend payments.
Due to 1.) there is no competitor left that could offer a better service. People cannot simply switch.
Die to 2.) you are not in danger of ever having to face situation 1.) again.
Job of the government is to not let 1. and 2. happen.
I am new to this. Doesn't a dividend come from profits? What profits are there if you need debt? And who will loan to you if your business plan is to exit scam?
A dividend can be paid with money from any source, it's all money.
> And who will loan to you if your business plan is to exit scam?
Ambitious junior bankers. Or you get the government to guarantee your debt.
If you’re a water company, after government bailed out the banks, chances were good you’re not going bust. What are they going to do? Let the entire population of London die of dehydration?
It's a sham market.
Why should I pay higher prices/taxes to keep ticket offices 90% of the country and increasing don't use open?
International Airlines finished moving to e-ticketing 15 years ago
People: "ugh, I will use the app"
Company: "Look, nobody uses the front line staff"
30 years ago Terry Wogan was using his radio 2 breakfast show telling the 40-60 demographic how to send emails and watch his webcam. That demographic are now 70-90. I do sympathise for independent 95 year olds who can't use a ticket machine. I'd rather we spent the money in a far better way -- increasing services for example.
Nothing to do with accessible stations, where they simply look up entries in a database and will have very little personal knowledge.
Additionally, often the ticket office gives better rates -
https://twitter.com/CraigJordanBak1/status/16786743395735101...
The fact that you dont know this, betrays the fact that you havw no idea how the UK ticket prices are actually set
I mean, do you really not understand how earnings are calculated, or are you trolling?
It is a free market, you are free to open your own water company and build your own water pipes or deliver water in bottles. No one is stopping you
In Britain, British Telecom spent around 20 years making it impossible for other players to supply an internet service to consumers. They used various anti-competitive practices and had very good capture of the largely toothless regulator OfCom. This is all documented.
I was just at EWR last night waiting for an arrival and there was an old man looking for water. He asks an employee where to find some and she looks at him like he has two heads.
“You have to buy some. Or you can drink out of the faucet in the restroom”
Can you imagine that? Telling an old man at 1am he has to drink out of a bathroom fixture to quench his thirst.
In my mind, I was hoping he was flying to a more civilized country. Because that’s the system we’ve built for ourselves. In a better present, the man would have access to a drink for free. But because a profit needs to be made, the entire airport is organized around little nickel and dime scams.
Especially when the service is a necessity for many (Train to work, water to drink, electricity to keep warm and cook, etc).
There was an excellent book on the subject published this year called Our Lives in their Portfolios[^1].
[^1]: https://www.ft.com/content/7da72f9c-978b-41e7-8e4b-478818f74...
Here is how that works in American railways: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkYNjADoZg
And why they are on a road in implosion.
Most important is that the target service coverage, quality, etc should be decided by government (who should be seeking to please voters), not corporations who are seeking to please shareholders.
So the example of rail doesn’t really apply to this branch of the discussion.
However, once you’ve bought a house, it is very difficult to to but in new pipes from a different water works.