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The real moat is an abundance of high quality data.

Well open AI raised eye brows by crawling the internet and using everyone's data to make a commercial product

One day some new startup will train on all of libgen and torrent networks, but it will be very hard to prove. You'll keep getting these gaps up in questionable morality and legality, and even openai will complain about playing fair

Google Classroom, teenager's essays, written by humans, for learning what it means to be human, and graded by humans, is a richer dataset than anything else I can think of that anyone else couldn't get their hands on.

An awful lot of teachers can grade a 10 page essay in about 90 seconds...

Skim read it, mark out some grammar errors, assign it a grade based on the quality of the opening and closing paragraphs.

Yup, and they're doing it the whole country over, and putting that data in to Google Classrooms for Bard to know "this is C-grade work" and "this is A-grade work". Knowing what's deemed good and bad writing is where I'm thinking this dataset shines for training LLMs.

Many people train on libgen/torrent in the form of books3 (e.g. LLaMa does this).

ThePile already contains some content from a torrent, and there's as lawsuit alleging that Meta has committed copyright infringement by using it.

https://www.theverge.com/2023/7/9/23788741/sarah-silverman-o...

Yeah they have the internet from before LLMs were used for anything, so the data is not poisoned. Not unlike carbon dating becoming useless for estimating age of anything made after nuclear atmospheric tests, or low-background steel.

You talk as if humans weren't perfectly capable of coming up with nonsense.

Blogs upon blogs full of worthless pap that is there for SEO reasons have existed for like a decade already.

And those blogs took a decade+ to make, and now in another year we'll make that much information again. Then it will be that much information in a month. Then that much pap in a day.

And in the past it was still a million people making that much crap. Now it's a single "entity" making that much crap with it's own style and mistakes.

IMO the real moat right now is expertise / smart teams and cash.

The infrastructure/training libraries already exists. I'm sure you can get people who worked at scale that can figure out how to glue things together.

Reddit, twitter, etc.. raising prices is going to make it more expensive.

If you are right then it just becomes who wants to throw the most cash in like a giant game of poker but where you don’t know the pot odds.

... stolen without regard for copyright and licensing.

Fair use!? /s

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