US Army Physical Fitness Test: Normative Data on 6022 Soldiers (1994)
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These people are not in any way, shape, or form "dumb." A lot of them go to 4-year colleges on the GI Bill, but a few did code school. One works for Google now. Almost none of them actually saw any combat.
My favorite was Dick Sonderegger, who enlisted in the Marines during the Vietnam era. He said he wanted to fly close air support in 'Nam, and they said, "No, you're going to be a computer programmer." He never left the States.
They do yell at you in Basic Training, all of them said.
Rich kids and those from top school districts (generally) don’t end up in the military. In the end, it’s all about education and opportunity. Most folks who enter the military see it as a way to get more of both.
I expect in most settings IQ 100-140 is very hard to guess from an interaction. Harder if there is a specific field being assessed where someone has experience/training.
But everyone will pick up IQ <90 almost immediately and that's not even necessarily abnormally low just borderline.
IQ is just an aptitude score, it's far more objective and unbiased than an interview.
Why have an objective test for what you want when you can introduce subjectivity and racism for the same goal? It's the American way.
Ultimately that can be used to accurately predict an IQ test, and vice versa.
Same with MCAT, or any other "aptitude" test.
If I remember correctly the Marines had a 3-mile run instead of 2 and the top target time was 18 min which I would always aim for
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2022/05/sit-ups-c...
And yet if you are in the USAF, the GP's will prescribe 500mg-1g of nicotinic acid and ibuprofen for lower back problems, to be taken when working out in the gym.
The nicotinic acid on an empty stomach spikes your growth hormone well above peaks seen during puberty, and believe it or not, can have you mobile and working doing hard exercise and lifting within 30mins, in fact you dont need the ibuprofen, just the nicotinic acid when the flush strikes.
The only downside with doing nicotinic acid long term is it will increase the chance of osteomalacia, aka putty bones, where you can push your finger into your bones and leave an indent in the bone, like pushing your finger into fresh putty around a window. Its not nice and it will deform your bones unless you take appropriate action namely changes to your diet to increase you vit k and omega 3 intake.
The pain killing effect of nicotinic acid comes from the release of calcium which binds to the body's own catecholamines because calcium binding to the catecholamines amplifies their effect. Its probably also explains those video's of people lifting weights when their bones snap and break, you dont feel osteomalacia until its too late.
Nicotinic acid can also harm the liver so appropriate dietary changes need to be made to compensate for taking it, even though it can be prescribed as a statin, and was the first drug used in the US for chemo purposes, decades ago.
An awful lot of military live on legal painkillers. They have to, since they can't just quit & rest when they get sore. The medics hand out Tylenol and Advil like candy.
Perhaps coincidentally, perhaps not: I also heard of kidney stones among vets. This is nothing like a scientific study; just anecdotal.
I also think doing sit-ups in the Army on stupidly-hard surfaces (parking lots, etc...) before I switched to the Corps is one of the main sources of my lower back pain.
Minimum score is 1 minute 10 seconds, max is 3:45, gender/age neutral.
Don’t go for 16 miles on your first run.
And don't even get me started on "state defense forces".
I see it as altruistic giving back to the community.
As for “fork and knife school”, I don’t need my JAGs as fit as I need my infantry.
These days I purposefully slow down when running if I find my heart beating too quickly. I wear a Garmin heart rate monitor. Even if I feel like I could push myself to a heart rate of 200+ per minute, it's best not to.
Many soldiers find it much easier, at least to meet the minimum requirements. The ACFT comprises six events: 3 repetition deadlift (MDL), standing power throw (SPT), hand-release pushup (HRP), sprint-drag-carry (SDC), plank (PLK) and 2 mile run (2MR).
Minimum scores for the ACFT for males 17-21 are as follows:
MDL - 120 lb x 3 reps
SPT - throw a 15 lb ball 6 meters / 19.685 ft
HRP - 10 pushups
SDC - 3:15
PLK - 1:30 plank
2MR - 23:22 for 2-mile run
All of that is quite easily achievable for the majority of males 17-21, I would say.
Fast forward to today, at 39 years old, I can honestly say that despite some challenges with my lower back, I have absolutely no regrets about the path I chose.
Would you mind answering how old you were when you went in?
I'm not sure what your situation is, have you considered the National Guard? It's still a massive commitment, but it might just scratch that itch you have there. If you love it, its very easy to go active duty
As to recommending it, I do not. There can be greatly positive outcomes, but the risk of injury or death is too high for me to recommend to anyone. Unless it is your way of escaping poverty, which is the story for many veterans, the risk/reward isn't there.
I'll leave you with what I tell everyone who asks me in real life: Do I regret it? Sometimes. Would I do it again? Absolutely not. I saw too many of my friends die in a bankers oil war, or a politicians re-election strategy. Take your pick, they're all equally valid.
Strangely enough, the minimum score is significantly higher for GED holders[0]. The minimum Army score goes from 31 to 50.
0: https://uniontestprep.com/asvab/blog/minimum-asvab-afqt-scor...
However, even people scoring 1/100 is still someone that graduated high school so it’s not as incompetent as you might think. They just aren’t sending someone like that to flight school.
>Appropriate for evaluating military recruits
Again, not clear if you're trying to be condescending. The ASVAB has logical reasoning portions (order the shapes based on labels of points), mechanical questions, I remember getting asked questions about force distribution of pulleys and tackle, but also questions like volume of a cone, basic trig, knights and knaves questions, what is the name of this screwdriver orientation, what's this engine piece called? ( Camshaft), and now there's even a computer science focused addition the Air Force uses.
It's a test that actually tells you about what you know and can understand, and is far more useful than an SAT or ACT exam.
I mean, it's a test that takes less than an afternoon where you answer questions by filling in bubbles and such. That's quite a lot like the SAT.
>The ASVAB has logical reasoning portions (order the shapes based on labels of points), mechanical questions, I remember getting asked questions about force distribution of pulleys and tackle, but also questions like volume of a cone, basic trig, knights and knaves questions, what is the name of this screwdriver orientation, what's this engine piece called? ( Camshaft), and now there's even a computer science focused addition the Air Force uses.
Is this not all "subject matter appropriate for evaluating military recruits" ?
You may be reading a bit much into what I wrote. My high school had everyone take it to fulfill a state requirement that we take so many standardized tests which gave schools the option of which ones to give.
>It's a test that actually tells you about what you know and can understand, and is far more useful than an SAT or ACT exam.
Being a bit condescending yourself here.
It's a standardized test appropriate for military recruits. For somebody who doesn't know was ASVAB means at all... this would seem a pretty good concise description.
It's where you do testing, select your contract, swear in, leave for basic combat training or boot camp, and also do physical examinations, including some kind of odd ones, like duck walking across a room in your underwear with a bunch of other men.
MEPS is an initial processing station where the military makes a final determination that you are physically, morally, mentally, and legally able to serve in the military. The process includes things like physical exams, drug tests, and reviewing your records.
ASVAB is a standardized test developed by the military that helps determine what jobs you're eligible to do.
And it isn't "x/100," i.e., got x questions right and everything else wrong. It's xth percentile, i.e., better than x% of graduating high school seniors.
Also, it’s 35 today, but waivers are often granted and standards have changed throughout the years.
Lowest I’ve seen was 18.
A very easy standard. I think I got a 96 or something like that and I missed a question about what was written on a light bulb (I said lumen which they largely do have, but they wanted watts). Stupid mistake still bugs me even though the score was meaningless.
It's the Army, not Harvard College.
Anyways, if my anecdotal experience interacting with the military is accurate, the main requirement for being an Officer is enjoying LOTR/super hero/Sparta movies. Being able to do pull-ups or string together coherent sentences are less important.
If you want to know what's actually valued in the military, look at the names of recent defense contract startups. That tells you everything you need to know.
Your entire comment is evidence of the contrary.