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Mark Zuckerberg: “We’re moving very slowly” (2012)

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Curiously, Facebook announced buying Instagram a few weeks after this email.

And Instagram, under Facebook's leadership, apparently adopted Renren's "strong culture of cloning things" to the letter: first targeting Snapchat (2015-16), and now targeting Twitter...

Or as someone replied below: > "I personally am pretty in favor of this approach in life generally... I would love to be far more aggressive and nimble in copying competitors at the interface / last mile level"

Even here, Meta is famous for moving very fast compared to rest of FAANG outside Netflix.

Don’t forget Tik Tok with Reels.

Non-Threads link: https://www.techemails.com/p/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-move-f...

Wow, they cloned twitter so well I didn't even notice it wasn't a Twitter link

https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1550168842378170368

While people are complaining about how to see the emails... Zuckerberg is right, and in 10 years since Facebook (or anyone else) has done nothing to address the problem. Or to build similar products.

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In China there is this strong culture of cloning things quickly and building lots of different products instead of just focusing on one thing at a time. This allows them to plant lots of seeds, and although it yields lower quality products in the short term as they're cloning and the markets are growing quickly...

They (Renren) They also have more features than us, including:

They have built their own version of Pinterest. In addition to your own timeline, you can have board pages that people can follow. They are tightly integrated into their NF.

They have built their own version of Tumblr. Same deal as with their version of Pinterest.

They have built their own standalone messenger app, where one key feature is using it like a walkie talkie -- basically like Voxer. Apparently Tencent QQ has also released a Voxer-like app which is really blowing up in China.

Renren has also built their own games and they have 6 of the top 10 Chinese games in the iOS app store.

They have also built out a full music product where they have licensed all the music in China themselves.

They have done some innovative things with commenting, like enabling people to easily fork comment threads to turn them into separate threads if they want.

So basically Jian-Yang’s whiteboard of “new” companies in Silicon Valley?

Clicking the logo just toggles dark and light mode. Lol which designer thought of that?

Probably cloned from China.

Zuckerberg stole facebook from his college friends. He was taken to court over it, and settled.

His metaverse VR world was a lame copy of Second Life.

Now he's done a copy/paste of twitter.

The guy has never had an original thought in his life.

The mention of Voxer is interesting.

https://techcrunch.com/2022/09/22/meta-pay-walkie-talkie-app...

https://www.reuters.com/technology/meta-loses-bid-toss-175-m...

The site's layout is all over the place. I haven't used Twitter for a while, but I don't remember it being that confusing.

Threads doesn't have a public web interface yet; you can only share Threads and see just that. I'm sure that will change in the near future, but I imagine that is why you're confused.

I get this feeling there’s a perceived opportunity of perpetual innovation in social media space. I don’t want to say “everything that can be invented has already been invented”. But I don’t think that underlying technology and society has changed so much there’s going to be a thing that’s going to rival twitter or fb in the next couple years.

I'm not so sure. Technology is one thing, but finding the right format for social networks may take many iterations. I find Twitter to be extremely toxic for instance, but there's some value to it. There must be a way to improve this initial idea. Keep the good, and minimize trolls and hate speech, and encourage people to stay courteous. Same thing for Facebook.

> everything that can be invented has already been invented

From a technology perspective I think this is broadly correct - these are essentially just crud apps, there’s nothing new. (i know there's plenty of cool tech around scaling it to billions of users, just not in the core functionality)

But in addition to being technology products, these apps are entertainment products. And as long as people have the capacity to get bored, there will be continued opportunity to innovate on the entertainment experience. It doesn’t even have to be novel, just recycle some app ideas from ten years ago. I’m sure vine will be back soon.

"there are no original problems" in this domain is the crux of it with Threads and Elon calling it a copy.

Unless Elon thinks he invented the solar panel, the electric motor and the rocket he might as well complain about himself. All entrepreneurial activity is taking something that exists and making it cheaper, nothing wrong with it.

Original creations are, by their very definition, spontaneous and discontinuous, if you could plan them they wouldn't be original. If there was a method to originality you could copy it, therefore everything truly original is by necessity accidental. The entire debate about copying is silly.

Call me stupid, but what's the message there?

Copying is good, it has worked for the chinese, we should start copying to move faster

He's pressuring for results with an external example. That way, he gets less of "we cant do that".

https://archive.is/MAj1e

Interesting that renren died long time ago. Wondering if anyone could post an analysis of that

First time I visited Threads. I thought it was only available using an app and outside EU?

this is the web version, readonly

429... Hilarious.

this is not viewable on the web

Works fine in Firefox for Android.

mirror anyone? hangs loading forever

If you're using firefox with facebook containers you need to allow threads.net to run in the facebook container.

Opened in Firefox, nothing (presuambly adblock), openened in chrome, HTTP 429. Haha.

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