I guess I don't see the reason to read an article about a specific use-case/point of view, only to follow up and say, "yeah well it wouldn't work for this completely different thing you weren't talking about". It's not the 'gotcha' you think it is.
Many people who buy new laptops every few years really don't need to do that. Some who buy new laptops every few years actually do see a benefit to doing so. The latter group isn't really all that interesting to talk about, at least not in the context of the article. The former group is, because making old laptops more useful for those types of people could have a huge positive environmental impact.
But it's not the laptop or phone that's changed, it's the rising tide of tech enthusiasts constantly buying new computers, having their performance QC be "feels OK to me", and that raising everyone's minimum spec.
I don't need AAA games to run on it, but text editing!
I am forced to use VSCode because some disability plugin[1] I use only (for now!) exists for it, but having to switch to it over SublimeText + Vim was annoying. If you don't need to use it definitely try either of those options
but I also don't.
That's unfortunate because I love that little laptop.
and since it's not applicable to the userbase here you're gonna get discussion on why it's not applicable.
That's not really the point of the article, though. The point is that there are a lot of people with similarly non-computationally-intensive needs who still nonetheless buy a new laptop every few years. If more people would realize what the author has realized, they'd not only save money, but reduce e-waste and the need for quite as much new laptop manufacturing.
> and since it's not applicable to the userbase here you're gonna get discussion on why it's not applicable.
I think that says more about the bubbles HN users live in, and their inability to think outside those bubbles, than anything else. Kinda unfortunate. I would be much more interested in discussing why so many people with modest computing needs think they need a new laptop every few years (advertising, probably), and how this might be changed.
But it is also a big step up, I expect my machine to stay viable quite some time and recommend my noob friends to buy used M1/M2 Macbooks (if available).
But while i have you here... Which dell xps (year/model/spec) was it and which M1 mac (year/model/spec) was it.
The Dell was XPS 13 (9350) bought Janaury 2016 for €2,105. The Macbook is M1 Macbook Air (the highest end model of which), bought June 2021 for €1,598. In both cases I wasn't trying to save money and was happily paying a premium for (within reason) the best laptop I could get, as far as I could tell from online reviews. I bought both of these directly from Dell's and directly from Apple's respective online shops.
The latter is radically higher performance while also being much better in many other ways (build quality, battery life, reliability, etc). I promise you I'm not getting a commission from Apple, in fact there's a lot of stuff they do that I deeply dislike :)
Because i was interested in OP point of view, not someone else...
> The Dell was XPS 13 (9350) bought Janaury 2016 for €2,105. The Macbook is M1 Macbook Air (the highest end model of which), bought June 2021 for €1,598.
You are comparing the experiences of two laptops 5 years apart ...
> The latter is radically higher performance while also being much better in many other ways (build quality, battery life, reliability, etc). I promise you I'm not getting a commission from Apple, in fact there's a lot of stuff they do that I deeply dislike :)
I agree, i have nothing apple hardware. I was just curious what kind of machine OP had before his mackbook air. I also recommend macbook air to anyone who can use macos
My previous laptop that I had used for 8+ years was a 2013 Macbook Pro 15" with the i7, and I bought it as a factory refurb 6 months after launch for- get this- I think it was $2400. New it would have been $2600 I think, in 2013-dollars.
So, especially adjusted for inflation, a similar level of machine is actually about 30%-35% more affordable now than it was a decade ago and computationally it's anywhere from 4x to 10x faster and something like 2x as energy efficient.
All that combined makes my M1 Macbook Pro one of the best values in computing I've ever purchased, IMO. And considering my 2013 MBP lasted more than 2x as long as any previous laptop I had ever owned, even though at the time it was about 50% more expensive than any previous laptop I owned, it paid for that run- and so if I get the same use time out of this current M1, the value over the lifespan of the machine will trounce any previous computer I've owned.
I run my business from an X1 Carbon, but it's more about portability than battery life. Trains, planes, Starbucks all have power available so it's constantly plugged in and I can't remember the last time I used it on battery for more than an hour.
So, to address your question (which I would normally also ask), it is that important though this is also a somewhat narrow use case.
They also run very cool and are effectively silent even when the fan DOES eventually turn on for a sustained max load. By comparison, every Windows/Intel laptop I've had over the last decade exhibited obvious fan noise every time there was some short-lived load on the CPU - that includes several nicer business/pro grade laptops including Dell XPS, Latitudes, and a Thinkpad.
...and NONE of those other laptops came remotely close to reliably lasting 10+ hours on battery like the MBPs can/do.
Battery life matters. Maybe not to you, but it matters.
Even on trains, one must be lucky and even if lucky, it is usually one socket per pair of seats.
Laptops for work make no sense unless you're a field researcher.
Then, when we went home a couple years later because of a cyberattack, essential workers were able to log in and work with the systems because we all had laptops.
As time goes on and less and less of our data is actually sitting on laptops.