Microsoft has the magic formula for lifers who don't ask much and work just as hard as anyone else, if not harder (by big tech standards — startups folks work way harder for way less).
Microsoft has the magic formula for lifers who don't ask much and work just as hard as anyone else, if not harder (by big tech standards — startups folks work way harder for way less).
Contentment and complacency are ostensibly the same thing, though the primary reason I tend towards the latter term is because I think we ought to aspire to growth (in whatever sense you determine for yourself). That's just my opinion though. It's also worth noting that I have no way of knowing what others are aspiring to, aside from what happens in their life over the years (which can be a poor proxy, given the role of luck).
As someone who has a growth mindset I can assure you that in corporations like Microsoft or Intel (I worked at the latter), one's own personal growth is not only fostered, but highly encouraged.
Corporate life ain't for everyone and I get that. As a 56 year-old being squeezed out of the marketplace due to ageism, some of us aren't just after the highest pay or the most prestige at our jobs.
I don't see it that way, complacency can be just contentment from one's own perspective — it may take a third party to call it complacency (sometimes wrongly so, such as that parable[0]).
[0] https://thestorytellers.com/the-businessman-and-the-fisherma...
(Though that parable fails to account for unforeseen financial emergencies and such...)
I get it, change is scary, but I do remind them that there is a larger world outside of Microsoft and there is very likely a better situation out there for them if they look for it.
Oh, BTW: no company is committed to you, only you and your family/friends (if you're lucky) will ever be.
I don't know what the bounds of leetcode are but can you translate that into something that would make sense in other domains?
Like if you wanted to hire a musician, you might want to hear them play first. Is that completely unreasonable?
(A plumber might be a closer comparison).
They inform you that your interview is to build a bridge with the sticks and tack that can support the bowling ball rolling across it.
(Yes, I know the age-old argument that 'real' Engineers are accredited and all that, but I still think the example shows how ridiculous it all is)
That's absolutely reasonable. But Leetcode isn't at all equivalent to that. Looking at examples of your work is.
If it helps any to know this, I get compensated at least as well as Microsoft (or equivalent) companies provide and have never had to do a single leetcode interview. I've never even been asked.
As near as I can tell, leetcode is used by a certain subset of the industry. But the industry as a whole is much larger than those companies.
Unless you are in Azure org (and maybe some other small specialized teams i am not aware of), it is often true.
Source: worked outside of Azure myself, it was great. WLB by default was nice and chill, but there was always plenty of room to push for more, if you wanted promotions/rewards/high-impact projects under your belt. People were amazing too all around. Had plenty of friends who worked in different orgs too. A couple of them transferred to Azure, and they quit a year or two later. They said that it felt like working for AWS in terms of how brutal it was (with one of them actually having used to work for AWS prior), which was night and day compared to their previous teams at MSFT.
Sure, but so am I — and I know for a fact they make very little, because of the way they talk about our mutual friends' job offers — I cannot even tell them my salary, to be honest. (Making less money is not a bad thing, but the pertinent point is that they work longer hours than I do, in the same industry!)
> Msft stock is up 10X in 10 years.
Here I'd like to correct you on one point — stock going up like this does not necessarily equate to outsized wealth. When you join as a new grad, you get very little stock, and as you get more grants, they are market-adjusted (not to mention vested over time). Plus the early stock inevitably gets sold to buy a home, etc.
Feel free to ignore me if you knew these things.
Let's do some math. In both cases we're buying the same home for keeps, so we can ignore the value of the final asset (would be the same in, say, 2100 A.D. in both cases):
Amazon stock 13x'd from 2012 to 2023. Say you had $50k vested by year 1 (close to what you'd have in 2013 as new grad). That money would be $650k in 2023. If you invested that into a house just around then, say in a $300k home, your interest rate would be ~3.7%. That means you would be paying $415,040 over the next 30 years, including your down payment.
Now let's say you were...you...and decided to wait till today. That same home is now worth $1.3 million in 2023. Your mortgage rate is 6.5%. You have your $650k in stock, so you put 20% down ($260k). Your mortgage is $1.04M. Over the next 30 years, you will be paying...a whopping $2,341,800. But hey, congrats on your "extra" $390k in stocks. By the way, you paid (if we are VERY conservative) ~$250k in rent while living in an equivalent property in those ten years.
First, Amazon stocks vests over four years on a schedule something like 5%, 5%, 10%, 80%. So comparing just the first year is borderline dishonest. It's been a while, but the typical grant you'd have expected to see as a new grad was considerably closer to 200k than 50k. And not only that, but you'd have benefited greatly from additional grants coincidentally being during downturns. But that was pure luck so we don't need to get into that. Thus in 2023 we're looking at more like 2.3 mil in the bank, not 650k.
Next, what part of in a ZIRP environment you buy real estate by levering up did you fail to understand? Anyone with even basic financial literacy knew that near zero rates mean equity inflates and leverage is cheap, so clearly you want to borrow as much as possible rather than sell, and especially not sell high return equity. The comparison isn't equity or real estate, it's equity and real estate to just real estate. At year 10, someone that was good at personal finance has the 2.3 mil from the equity plus the roughly 1 mil in home equity from appreciation, vs just the house. Which is to say a roughly 3x greater outcome. In fact it's considerably more than 3x better because liquid assets have considerably higher optionality than illiquid ones like real estate. We'll get to that in a couple paragraphs.
But hey maybe you think that's not fair or something, and we should compare the relatively financially illiterate scenarios that you propose. In that case then, over the next 20 years (30 - 10 since in this case we're supposing we start the mortgage a decade later), assuming you diversified to a 7%ish return to preserve capital, that 2.3 mil is going to double every ten years so even if you do end up paying 2.3 mil on the mortgage, you're still sitting happy with north of 9 mil in your brokerage account at year 30, which is to say 2043. Last I checked 9 - 2.3 (total mortgage cost from buying in 2023) is considerably more than 1. Indeed, it's probably considerably more than 9 - 2.3 on account of considerable home equity will have accrued over those 20 years to offset the cost of the mortgage's effect on your balance sheet.
And finally, since at this point we're invested in safe capital preserving assets, we can call our broker up, say hey match IBKR's margin rates or I'm taking my business to them. And at that point you can write checks up to about 5 mil on a whim at an interest rate something like prime + 2.9%. And that means you can get sweetheart deals on real estate from auctions if that's your jam, among many other options having access to that kind of liquidity provides. Your primary residence on the other hand doesn't count toward your financial net worth.
The game gets considerably more interesting from there, but I think I've said enough for anyone with genuine intellectual curiosity to get the point.
I assume the reason you're so defensive is because you made poor financial decisions, but that shouldn't keep you from learning, especially so as to provide better guidance to any children or other heirs you may have.