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Comment by WalterBright | Hacker News Reader

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> they can just uproot their lives and go back to a place they specifically got away from, nbd

What I said was they were not forced to stay. I've read a number of history books, and what forced labor is is very clear. Besides, when one comes to the US on a Visa one chooses to accept the terms, and they do not include a guarantee of lifetime employment.

What I actually believe in is freedom and individual rights, and my posts are consistent with that. At least I hope so!

As for D, it is Boost licensed. It is the most free license I could find. You can do whatever you like with the code, as long as the copyright is included. (I would have made it public domain, but that isn't recognized in many countries.)

Each member of the D community has their own reasons for contributing, and many (myself included) do not receive any compensation. It's just our gift to you and everyone else.

It is your right to use it, or not, as you please.

P.S. The D Foundation also discourages politics of any sort in the discussion forums. I don't even know what the politics of the other contributors are. It's not relevant.

Considering that you are so pedantic about definitions, in which dictionary does "forced to stay" equal to "forced labor"?

More generally your interpretation of "forced" seems to be extremely narrow. How would you interpret a statement like "today at work I was forced to attend two completely useless meetings", which IMO is perfectly common use of the word "forced", but certainly does not imply that security was standing in front of the door monitoring who goes in and out.

> in which dictionary does "forced to stay" equal to "forced labor"?

This was all in the context of a job, right?

Forced to stay (at the job) means being forced to do the work, presumably.

Which would be forced labor, no?

Or did I misread this entire thread?

Are you just being weirdly pedantic? Everybody knows that Twitter isn't employing slave labor.

I'll go with:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forced_labour

I'm not being weird about it. Just calling out the idea that Musk is forcing people to work for him is hyperbolic. If you want to call Musk mean, arrogant, uncaring, bad, etc., that's all fine.

Like almost everything in the world, forced labor (not the official definition, but the actual reality) is a spectrum, not a binary.

Wikipedia's definition is not official anything. It's a commonly accepted (and rather expansive) definition of the phrase. I did not invent my own personal definition of it.

I'll stick with that.

Seems you've decided that instead of adding value to the discussion by saying anything of interest, you're just quibbling about word definitions. Pretty lazy?

Every decision made by anybody in life arises from a mix of choice, circumstances and coercion [1]. The relative proportions of each depend on the person and the decision. What's often described as "privilege" really is the ability to make decisions with less coercion and more choice than other people in similar circumstances.

If someone is making a decision primarily based on coercion—and having to uproot your life absolutely is coercion—saying that "no actually, it's a choice" is unkind. In 2013 Tumblr terms, I implore you to check your privilege.

[1] I've stolen this rubric from the sex work community, which is at the leading edge not just in infosec but also in the philosophy of labor.

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Is there any reason why you chose to capitalize 'Visa' (sic) in your comment? I've read a number of policies and documents and this is the first instance I've seen it represented in that way. Given your own reading history, I'm sure that there is a good reason - we wouldn't want to be incorrect and inaccurate, of course. For all we know, you could be talking about the company, or the credit card!

Just a mistake.

Freedom is the name of my credit card from Chase

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