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I've been using Kagi since I could first get onto the product. As soon as it came out of Beta, I subscribed.

I had no idea how intrusive Google was. I love Google services. Google Cloud is far better than the others. That said, the search is just poison.

I now spend time looking at results, not searching for results.

I have to admit though, ChatGPT did make me consider dropping the subscription. Mr Chat has weakened the value of Kagi to me.

They have their own AI summarizer engine though: https://kagi.com/summarizer/index.html

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> Google Cloud is far better than the others.

Per their own documentation, Kagi servers are hosted on Google Cloud.

That in of itself isn't such a scary thing.

There's real restrictions, contractually, that Google has on accessing any data the a customer generates, and of which carry hefty fees for Google.

This is one of the reasons on why some Google products never launch with support for Workspace accounts. There's just too much red-tape that a team doesn't want to deal with.

Source and Disclaimer: I was a Technical Solutions Engineer for Google Cloud.

> I have to admit though, ChatGPT did make me consider dropping the subscription. Mr Chat has weakened the value of Kagi to me.

I felt the same, but I do still need web search, and I do still want it to be as good as possible, so it's still worth it to me.

And actually, as I type this I'm less sure about how much ChatGPT has reduced the value of web search for me. I start with ChatGPT for almost everything that's not "news". But I still frequently do web searches branching out from what I learned via ChatGPT. It's fewer total searches than I've done before, but each one might be more valuable. And since I'm flowing from one tool to another, not having to wade through ads and bad ui and SEO spam also becomes even more valuable.

As a subscriber to both ChatGPT and Kagi, agreed. You may be interested to know that Kagi also has https://labs.kagi.com/fastgpt. It's been pretty good in my tests so far, nothing magical just fast and similar to a search input field.

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