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Except we're not. Engineers that is. According to the Canadian engineer's association or whatever.

Have you worked in industry at all? Whatever we do, it's definitely not engineering

I disagree, it really depends on where you work and exactly what kind of work you're doing.

Writing avionics software, for instance, I would definitely consider "engineering". And that's a bit of an extreme case; there's lots of other software out there with a lot of rigor.

But yes, a LOT of software these days is just slapped together with processes that don't resemble any kind of true engineering practice at all.

However, let's not forget that even industries with "real engineering" are frequently full of bad or nonexistent engineering practices: just look OceanGate, or the Boeing 737MAX.

Yeah, that's very true, there's definitely parts of the industry (usually those related to traditional engineering) that take a more rigorous approach to software.

I'd say it's still a very small section though, and the vast majority of "software engineers" are really just programmers. Myself included.

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