Tesla FSD Beta ignores stop sign in live test with Ross Gerber and Dan O’Dowd [video] | Hacker News Reader

Tesla FSD Beta ignores stop sign in live test with Ross Gerber and Dan O’Dowd [video]

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"In real life I woulda just gone by him". This is the mindset of these assholes driving beta software on public roads. THIS IS REAL LIFE. Those other people in the cars you see? They're real people and you are risking their lives and limbs by testing bad software on the open road. These people are the scum of the Earth.

Yes. Double yellow lines mean something. They are there for a reason. That guy is a jerk.

I'd like the roads to be safer as well. Potholes and inoperable stop lights are rampant in Bay Area and generally in California.

And the best part is that both reinforced their opinions at the end of this ride:

https://twitter.com/RealDanODowd/status/1672325190112641024?...

https://twitter.com/GerberKawasaki/status/167232088129155891...

On of them, has a vested financial interest in promoting Tesla stock.

And one the opposite.

I can't tell from the video, but it looks like his foot may be on accelerator. While FSD Beta is active and you press on the accelerator it acts as a fast forward and will plow through signs and lights. The accelerator acts as a take over allowing you to get over dangerous situations where it may stop in the middle of the road.

That said, I've definitely seen it run stop signs, so it's not uncommon.

Not just the stop sign; deciding to sneak behind a truck backing up seems pretty dumb

By crossing over a double yellow line. Now, in real life, maybe the guy would be an ass and endanger everyone else but pretty crazy to put that behavior in a self driving car.

Especially since it's a double yellow line

Also, you can very clearly see at 1:10 a 35mph speed limit sign, while the speedo clearly says 39.

It clearly spooks the driver - he pulls the wheel hard manually to the right to get back in the correct lane after FSD veers around the truck.

Wow. He had to brake pretty hard to not crash. In FSD’s defense, maybe, the stop sign only appeared shortly after the curve, but I would have expected it to fare much better.

There was a “stop ahead” sign. Normal people wouldn’t have had an issue.

There was was also a 'stop ahead' sign that FSD seemed to completely ignore. Very dangerous to accelerate into that blind corner given the warning sign.

FSD uses both maps and vision to detect stop signs. This can happen when the stop sign is both obscured by a curve and not present in the map.

Would be interesting to know how old the intersection is. I'm guessing the stop sign was added or moved recently.

The obvious fix is to detect the "Stop Ahead" sign. Hard to defend FSD, they really need to add that functionality.

There was a sign warning of the stop before the bend

Yeah but even then, why didnt FSD take evasive maneuvers to avoid the crash?

Shouldn't FSD drive at speed that it can stop on visible bit of road? So if there is a bend it should only go as fast as visible space allows?

Pretty dramatic, it didn't even slow down despite the clear warning sign before the also clear stop sign itself.

The most disgusting thing is everyone else sharing the road with these self driving cars are all non consenting beta testers in this.

Roads are shared space. It's disgusting there are bad drivers, drunk drivers and SUVs driving our streets.

I suggest if we want to make driving safer:

  - Better street design.
  - Ban SUVs.
  - Seatbelts required for engine start.
  - Mandatory breathalysers in all cars.

Agree?

> Mandatory breathalysers in all cars.

In 2026 drunk driving detection technology will become mandatory for new cars https://www.cbsnews.com/boston/news/i-team-dui-alcohol-detec...

I'm always assured by fans that it's the bad examples that make it online even though its always big Tesla fans posting the videos. Here's a skeptic and a fan on a short drive and a little more evidence for FSD still being quite bad.

If it was a flawless run, you wouldn’t see it on here. If there are actual FSD fatalities, don’t you think they’d be all over the news?

Jesus christ almighty. Straight up blow a stop sign onto an incoming car.

Why are self driving cars all that great anyway? I'm all for going back to driving stick.

One day they'll be safer than human drivers. But billionaires cutting corners with safety to move fast developing their fancy tin cans and getting people killed seems to be theme this week.

One day they'll be safer than human drivers.

That'll be the time when computers have developed sentience and an understanding of the outside world. Driving is a cooperative effort, it requires intelligence, and a theory of mind.

A few years ago there was that video where a Tesla kept slowing down because it identified the Moon as a yellow traffic light, and there was this other occasion where it drove behind a truck that had loaded traffic lights and kept identifying those. That would need to stop first.

No, it wouldn't necessarily have to. Self-driving cars are going to fail in ways that seem very stupid to us, but they might handle "normal" accident-prone situations much better than humans and thus be much safer overall.

Unless the AI has state and a model of the world (including a model of mind of the other drivers) it won't be able to anticipate dangers. It's going to be as bad as any teenager who has just mastered the controls but nothing else. Such a person is perfectly capable of keeping a straight lane on the highway (note - that's what today's driver assist systems are good for) but nothing else. You wouldn't want to be near them in traffic (doesn't everyone keep double distance from jerky drivers with L plates?) and you wouldn't trust them in dense traffic.

You can see that at the point where the Tesla busts through the stop sign - any normal person would associate a stop sign with danger and proceed with caution, except of course the teenager with L plates.

Current AI is better than a drunk teenager, but that's too low a bar. Driving sober, well-rested and in daytime (driving during the day also keeps you away from all the other drunkards) is actually remarkable safe. Remember that the safest mode of travel per journey is not the airplane, it's the motorcoach.

I finally (after a year) got my Bolt EUV with the lesser (200,000 miles of roads instead of 400,000) version of GM's SuperCruise. I've used it to drive 250 miles for a long weekend with my wife, then the 250 miles back home. Volunteered down state and the car drove almost all of the 120 miles to get me there, spent the day, then it drove me almost all of the way home. I found myself much less fatigued after driving than I normally am.

Also switched recently to one-pedal driving, which means that the car slows down if you lift off the accelerator pedal. You almost never need to use the brake pedal. It's not the same feeling as driving a stick, where you're using all 4 limbs, but it makes me feel connected in a similar way.

I would be interested in the statistics on rear-end collisions with one-pedal driving as opposed to normal cars, because the car doesn't coast while somebody is looking at their phone. It just feels different.

The danger is that a normal driver would start breaking. But we don't know what the fsd would do so the breaking happened far too late.

This should not be on the roads. How is this permitted. This will kill someone.

how many people die to car wrecks each day? What % are using Tesla FSD and what % of all miles driven are Tesla FSD? This is what I’d like to know.

You'll have to correct for more variables than that, since presumably the average Tesla FSD driver is going to look quite different than the average driver.

The difference between this and the submarine is that there is less risk of instant death for the Tesla driver, he externalizes it on cyclists and pedestrians.

If anything good is to come from the Titan sinking it should be a good hard look at Tesla's autopilot.

O'Dowd picked this route specifically to fail FSD, as he obviously has a financial interest and a vendetta against Musk. It was clear as day Gerber was gonna get tricked but he didn't care.

As can be seen in hundreds of uncut hours of driving, FSD is already pretty good and improving fast. Most rides don't req

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