Thanks for the detail on your experience. I have a semi-automatic Breville and love it but I see where you’re coming from. At the end of the day it’s about finding the method that works for you. The Jura sounds like an awesome choice for my parents who like you don’t want the hassle of the manual espresso.

I know some folks who love Folgers made in a coffee pot. It wouldn’t be my first choice but it shouldn’t be compared to single origin espresso, it’s just a different drink with its own pros and cons.