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>The software is shit, the battery is shit, it's expensive, low specs, completely unusable.

>I had the same reaction with the pine phone a couple years ago.

Anyone who writes "the software" like you and TheAceOfHearts did, as if it's an iPhone or Android, doesn't understand the first thing about a Linux phone. Please resell them to someone that's less PEBKAC than you. Thanks. They'll appreciate it.

And in the future I recommend asking people who have them before you buy them, so that you know ahead of time not to keep these phones from going to people who will make better use of them. For example, we in the PinePhone IRC channel will happily listen to what you want from the phone and tell you whether the phone meets those requirements or not.

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They shouldn't need to understand it. I don't understand the first thing about how my phone works or mobile development in general. It just works and does what I need it to do.

Yes they do need to understand it. If you believe you don't need or want to understand it, then Linux phones are not for you.

It's okay. Really. Not everything has to be for everyone, and evidently Linux phones are not for you. Please don't buy them. Thanks.

You don't need to understand it according to Librem. They are marketing a "user-friendly"(their words) replacement for iPhone and Android. If this was a product sold for the most hardcore Linux users who dream about bash scripts then yeah this isn't a product for me and that's fine. But, that isn't what they are trying to sell and that is the problem.

"replacement for iPhone and Android" are your words, not theirs.

And as for the PP the manufacturer has always been very explicit about it:

https://pine64.com/product/pinephone-beta-edition-with-conve...

>Beta Edition PinePhones are aimed solely at early adopters. More specifically, only intend for these units to find their way into the hands of users with extensive Linux experience.

I have a Braveheart edition Pinephone for experiments. I know that Pine64 devices are very bluntly a work in progress. I'm more specifically talking about Librem in this case.

The first sentence in my comment is about the Librem 5.

typical user-hostile linux user opinion. If you're wondering why the year of the linux desktop hasn't happened yet, this is why.

The only people who wonder about the year of the Linux desktop are the people who don't use Linux :) We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.

>> We Linux users are happily using it already and don't really care what other people use.

And yet here you are hectoring the plebs, putting us in our place. It sure seems like you care, because if you didn't you would have kept quiet and got on with the good life.

As someone who has been running Linux as sole OS for over a decade now, I wouldn't say I am "happily" using it. It is acceptable and all alternatives are even worse in a lot of ways, but the Linux experience is definitely still lacking quite a bit.

It's still less user-hostile than ads in your start menu and asking the overlord for the privilege of having rights to use your own computer. That's good enough for me.

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