One Ka-52 helicopter deflected 18 MANPADS
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I expect that the Ukraine war is a very useful proving/testing ground for a great many defense industry companies.
And then the countermeasure can maybe just flash a weird pattern of light at the missile to confuse the ‘AI’ systems and it starts thinking the jet is a cloud (e.g. https://www.theregister.com/2017/11/06/mit_fooling_ai/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPxlhGSG0tc).
Take it or leave it, but Ukraine is claiming[0] they shot down two Ka-52 helicopters in the past week and there is photographic evidence[1] of one being heavily damaged (although still flyable) yesterday.
Also estimates[2] are that 25% of Russian's total fleet of Ka-52 helicopters have been shot down during the Ukraine war. "Russian attack helicopters have likely suffered particular attrition from Ukrainian man-portable air defense systems"
So maybe impressive but not an invulnerability shield.
[0] https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/ukrainian-air-defenses-d...
[1] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/badly-damaged-russian-...
[2] https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/ukraine-situation-repo...
Only sources mentioned in the post are Russians, and the only one that named is RIA which is a Russian controlled media. The original can be found here [0] in Russian and doesn't have any links to sources or names.
There are already 35 confirmed loses of that type on Oryx [1] with most of them not on the ground. The true amount likely is much higher. But even that is a bit too high for such wunderwaffe of "the 2nd army in the world"
[0] https://ria.ru/20230609/vertolet-1877114636.html
[1] https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-docum...
Where did you get the missile type? TFA doesn't mention it.
"The Vitebsk-25-mounted helicopter was then fired upon by two dozen Russian Igla MANPADS missiles, none of which hit the target."
Or, perhaps other munitions continue to prove effective?
There is the sense "out there" in the commentariat that some systems used in this war are sub-par: not top of the line. I personally cannot believe any nation state a year and a half into a war it is palpably losing (or at least "not winning") in terms of achievement on the ground, manpower and public perception would deliberately hold back a technology which worked this well.
If they are digging into old stocks of tanks, then they are not capable of fielding new forms of tanks at sufficient volume. If they had the new stocks of tanks and they worked, they'd deploy them to great effect. The tanks problem, I would suggest projects into the helicopter problem. Where are the evidences of this system defeating ground to air missiles?
Russia does not have command of the air. Why is this?
I suspect few of the Russian equivalents of the F-16 have been taken out by AAM, and they're withheld because of the risk, yes. But to argue from that there is no sense in Ukraine deploying this class of Jet I think is a false equivalence. It depends on the relative strengths and weaknesses of AAM, and radar systems. If enough of the Russian tactical field deployed radar are out of action and if they can't fly AWACS then, it might not be symmetric.
Basically "porque no los dos" -fly UAVs and fly jets, and find out what works.
I think its likely that logistics is winning this war. The evidence of a lack of depth in parts and maintenance in the background inside the Russian forces is marked. In order to field their top-line jets here, they have to be willing to lose them and the evidence is strong they aren't willing to risk them. If the Ukranians are donated F-16s, perhaps their willingness to lose them will be higher?
I hate the WW2 battle of Britain comparison, but it stands out: every german aircraft lost over the UK was a lost crew as well as an aircraft. Switching from attacking radar and air fields to mass bombing was a massive tactical mistake for the german forces. They wound up unable to sustain the losses. The British were willing to tolerate the attrition in bomber crews later on in the war, to horrific effect.
In that sense, losing Russian pilots and aircraft against weak logistics and pilot training, disadvantages the Russians more than I believe the Ukranians will be disadvantaged by deploying the F-16s at some risk of losses.
Russian air losses in WW2 were catastrophic at times, mainly because of asymmetric capability in the aircraft and weapons. They lost an entire cohort of crew.
Obviously if they deploy in an offensive role without standoff weaponry, the risks tend to equalise.
Air International magazine published a report from the Egyptian Ministry of Defense, which had already targeted Russian Ka-52 helicopters and subjected them to a myriad of tests before purchase. The Vitebsk-25-mounted helicopter was then fired upon by two dozen Russian Igla MANPADS missiles, none of which hit the target.
Basically,this new Russian system is a magic shield against missiles.
Have a look at the frontpage of this site.