ELO Everything
eloeverything.co
eloeverything.co
It's cool, but dealing with bad-faith participants is what is really difficult about these types of exercises. It works great until the hurt people find it, and then the hurt people hurt people -- perpetuating their sadness unto others by upvoting the bad things.
I think they may be ranking Hitler the artist or Hitler the leader surely. It can't possibly be the more simple explanation of the internet being full of trolls who think anonymous graffiti is funny.
Why is it only on HN that this sort of contortion happens?
Though yes it's the internet, so it's probably mostly people doing it for the funny.
Conflating Elo ranking with goodness is shockingly dimwitted - I'd think it much below Hacker News commentators, but apparently that's not the case. Of course Hitler would have a high Elo ranking; he's objectively one of the most powerful and influential humans of all time.
It just seems like better system than the current one, in which the Papa John's near my undergrad college and the best Italian place in my neighborhood are both rated 4.5 stars.
Each outcome adjusts the winner's and loser's Elo ratings according based on the current difference.
For example:
- A 1500 elo beats a 1300 elo. The winner gains 5 and the loser loses 5.
- A 1300 elo beats a 1500 elo. The winner gains 15 and the lower loses 15.
The math is such that a 100 point difference is 2:1 advantage. A 400 difference is 9:1 advantage.
I.e. a scissors-paper-rock scenario.
In it he mentions that he kept the site up for only a short amount of time, in part to prevent anyone from writing a bot which could game it. Unfortunately, that has not been the case with Elo Everything, which has a clearly gamed leader board.
I guess the optimal strategy would be to target the leader you want to knock out with losses to the current last-place entry, right?
I guess that last place entry would change pretty quick though.
[0] https://support.torproject.org/about/why-is-it-called-tor/
[1] https://www.britannica.com/technology/Tor-encryption-network
Yup, this could work
So is the idea that you use this in a very technical space for, say, ranking jobs in a queue? Or is it intended for an e-commerce site to order by product ratings?
This feels like retro Internet, I love it.
How could you ever choose?
At the time of writing, Adolf Hitler is #1 on the leaderboard with Elo 1754.
And democracy - "I love democracy!" - at #15
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Thanks for the laugh! Fun little app
Actually I had the idea it would match people up who had similar views.
For several reasons the choice isn't that obvious.
Maybe the API is just very simple and somebody is just sending upvotes to Hitler infinitely.
Yep, it has no authentication. You can just keep posting to the API with Hitler beating everything.
Yeah I think someone gamed this
Predictably, someone is gaming it and spamming Adolf Hitler.
1. People that think its funny and choose Hitler
2. People who compare Hitler to something like "Ferrari" or "Rome, Italy" and go "yeah he's had more impact (from my perspective)"
In that same sense, Hitler is arguably one of the greatest leaders the world has ever seen. He was just a horrible person who did horrible things.
I am (obviously) not a fan at all of Hitler, Nazism, etc. but it's had a profound impact on our world, regardless of whether it was horrible impact :(
But yeah, it's obvious there is some gaming of the system. Hard to rank Hitler higher than "earth" or "electricity"
(Also the history of Rome has definitely been more impactful than Hitler.)