Texas rules requiring water breaks for construction workers will be nullified
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- Local “bag charges” and “bag bans” on non-reusable plastic bags at grocery stores were outlawed in 2018.
- Anything that has to do with attempts at gun restrictions in cities (auditoriums/malls/etc) gets overridden every year.
- Just this year, the state passed a law with explicit language exclusively targeting its biggest county, Harris County (Houston), disbanding its election commissioner position and that the state AG has the ability to re-call elections in the county if he believes there was “enough fraud”.
There’s so much more, but “local control” is not a term which holds much water in Texas. The other side of the coin is that, unlike California, this philosophy is also reflected in Texas’ zoning codes, and as such it’s much easier and much more consistent across cities to build — developers in cities begin to bemoan when permits take more than 3 months in Texas cities, whereas in Los Angeles years would be the norm
The amount of homeless drugs and crime in the Bay made me immediately regret moving, but stayed for the $$$ for a bit.
Texas does many stupid things but so does CA and on top of that CA is expensive as hell to live in
I don't care if the rent in Texas was negative.
If you think that is Texas being anti trans then so be it I guess
Luckily it's not your opinion that is important regarding what healthcare should be done and what shouldn't. The medical consensus is that puberty blockers are an important part of trans healthcare. Denying this to children is equivalent with denying them other healthcare.
There are studies that show that hormone blockers don't actually decrease psychological distress (which is why England just said they're going to limit puberty suppressing drugs).
I think it's more interesting that people think children who can't possibly comprehend lifelong implications of most things are being given life altering drugs that don't have proper long term research is a good idea.
Well, it is the only valid one in the sense that there exists a medical consensus, an it is what I described.
> There are studies that show that hormone blockers don't actually decrease psychological distress
Mind sharing those studies?
> (which is why England just said they're going to limit puberty suppressing drugs)
I'm sure it has nothing to do with the conservative government desparately trying to distract their populace from the terrible job they are doing keeping the country running.
> I think it's more interesting that people think children who can't possibly comprehend lifelong implications of most things are being given life altering drugs that don't have proper long term research is a good idea.
Puberty blockers have been researched since the 80s. How much longer do you want studies to be done?
It's also funny that people like you always say "children who can't possibly comprehend lifelong implications of most things are being given life altering drugs", when the whole point of the drugs is to give them time. By delaying puberty those children have time to actually grow up and make an informed decision at the right time. You want to take that ability away from them, you want to condemn them to a lifestyle that is proven to drastically increase suicide rates. I'd like to know - is that a bug for you, or is it a feature?
As for the England thing you can deflect with the politics if you want, but many countries (some that pioneered dysphoria treatments) are cautioning against puberty blockers and that more research needs to be done.
https://ukom.no/rapporter/pasientsikkerhet-for-barn-og-unge-...
https://www.academie-medecine.fr/la-medecine-face-a-la-trans...
https://cass.independent-review.uk/publications/interim-repo...
And here is the study that I believe England is using where 43 out of 44 patients didn’t find any help with puberty blockers
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal...
And here is a paper critiquing studies that have been done and accusing them of bias to promote a viewpoint
https://accpjournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.100...
You can use emotional arguments all you want but the science from what I see doesn’t show an overall help with puberty blocking drugs and I don’t think we do have enough long term evidence for people who aren’t hitting early puberty and are taking these drugs. What you’re mentioning from the 80s is like saying it’s totally safe to give everyone who wants chemo chemo because it helps people who have cancer. Puberty blocking drugs are useful in specific use cases, but giving them to kids who feel they are the wrong gender (which by the way, things kids say and what they actually feel are so freaking varied and again, most kids don’t know wtf they’re talking about until they’re much older) does not have full scientific consensus.
How about you provide some links now to the OPs original argument of all the things they mentioned? If not then I think we’re done here as you are just throwing emotional argument after emotional argument as if the choice is between a shitty under researched drug on pre pubescent children who aren’t experiencing early onset puberty (which is the usage you’re talking about from the 80s) vs full on suicide.
I looked into this study, and interestingly the authors come to the opposite conclusion you come to:
> Overall patient experience of changes on GnRHa treatment was positive. We identified no changes in psychological function. Changes in BMD were consistent with suppression of growth. Larger and longer-term prospective studies using a range of designs are needed to more fully quantify the benefits and harms of pubertal suppression in GD.
Given that you're misrepresenting the studies you share, yeah, we're done here.
Also, Texas even specifically cites puberty-blockers (which are reversible…) within the list of punishable offenses, so even Texas qualifies it as trans-healthcare, so your opinion is not particularly relevant.
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/13/1098779201/texas-supreme-cour...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/09/23/texas-tra...
Both are dysfunctional in completely different ways, and both succeed in very opposite AND similar ways, too.
Regarding “homelessness and crime”, though— I have not noticed a significant difference feeling in safety in either. And in both I lived in the “city” (Dallas and Los Angeles) rather than sprawling suburbs.
I do feel actually a lot more worried in Texas about gun violence when I go back, and find myself always mentally making a note of exit plans in e.g. concert venues or malls back in Texas.
I personally prefer the people in California more than in Texas, but that’s a subjective value judgement. That’s ultimately what keeps me here.
* https://www.vermontpublic.org/vpr-news/2018-03-16/meet-the-c...
* https://www.npr.org/2018/04/07/600482792/you-couldn-t-get-el...
Also, TIL...
Most “bag bans” are a propaganda campaign to frame the last participant in the supply chain as the culprit of everything.
I’ve heard of stores that let you bring your own glass jars to fill up on e.g. almonds. That sounds more practical.
Whenever I order takeaway food, I also try to bring my containers.
I doubt you meant it this way, but this is the thing that peeves me most about the Republican party continuing to spout on about local control, small government, and personal freedoms. As soon as a locality makes a choice they don't like (bag bans), or a person uses their freedom in a way they don't like (marrying the wrong person, consuming the wrong plant), suddenly the same people are scrambling to explain why those things are exceptions to their principles, because, well they're bad. There's never a stronger argument for why it should be an exception just "we think it's bad". Yet the whole point of these supposed principles is that these decisions should be made locally or personally. Otherwise it's just as valid for someone to say <Republican pet issue> should be decided locally because it's bad.
An aside.
They would say something similar to me. Except the reasoning would be very different.
So the only similarity is that they would say that it is “bad” (I would say that the ban is pointless per se).
So they wouldn’t say something similar to what I said.
Next up: “Wars are bad”. Did avgcorrection say that? Or a Libertarian? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ
Call it an aside to your aside if you want.
They're perfectly happy to exert federal control as well, when they can get it. But when they can't, they'll protest that they want state control. They want you to hear it as if that was moving power closer to the individual, but it's diametrically opposed to that. "States' rights" means "not your rights".
In regards to freedom, New Hamsphire/Florida ranks #1 or #2 usually in the freedom index across the board: https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edi...
Texas is midway down the line and California is abysmally at 48th. Folks here are saying "Fascism!", I just find that very funny and ironic; if anything California tramples on people's rights more than any other state. Just look at the cases put forth the 9th circuit.
We should encourage various levels of federalism in different states instead of hurling insults and shutting down the conversation (not you per se, but generally in liberal circles). Everyone is so dug in.
Honestly as a Californian, I want to encourage more competition from other states. It feels like a giant monoculture destroying itself here.
Honestly, I struggle with this.
Constitutions, bills of rights, or similar documents in various democracies exist specifically to protect fundamental rights of citizens that can never be trampled on by any level of government.
Beyond those codified rights, why shouldn't local nut jobs be allowed to pass insane laws if that's what people vote for?
If those laws are truly insane, then isn't that what constitutional amendments are for?
To me, the real problem is that those documents are so frozen that it's impossible to renegotiate the contract periodically, and so you end up being forced to hand over strong powers to higher levels of government (see: the voting rights act).
> In regards to freedom, New Hamsphire/Florida ranks #1 or #2 usually in the freedom index across the board: https://cdn.freedominthe50states.org/download/2021/print-edi...
Yeah, sorry, you'll forgive me if I discount this immediately. The Cato Institute has a very specific definition of "freedom" that I fundamentally disagree with.
If you're a small government, anarcho-libertarian, Cato is gonna be your jam.
If you, on the other hand, believe that government plays an important role in protecting freedoms (for example, Cato believes occupational licensing is fundamentally antithetical to "freedom", while I'd argue that it plays a critical role in reducing information asymmetry, thereby protecting the rights of consumers), you're definitely not gonna agree with Cato's approach. I know I don't.
And, by the way, I would expect (hope) Cato would disagree with what Texas is doing, here, as those actions are trampling on the rights of local communities to govern themselves.
So rural Texas bumpkins want to impose a rule of law on their economic engines (while conveniently decrying interference from federal agencies on things like policing, voting rights, LGBTQ discrimination, border policy, etc)
This is two wolves and a sheep deciding what's for dinner, while the wolves cry about "big government" and having agendas forced on them.
Although cities may be the economic hubs it doesn't equate to the political worth or value of an individuals vote. Everyone regardless of where they live or their economic contribution should be entitled to an equal vote in a fair and democratic society.
One of the original concerns about direct democracy is the potential it has to allow a majority of voters to trample the rights of minorities. This is why we have minority protections.
The issue is city populations are the minority here. The laws they passed only apply to their cities.
Their right to self govern is being overridden by the majority state legislature.
You are literally arguing my point but you don't seem to understand whose protections are being trampled on by whom.
If you're working out there in 115+ heat index like June, July, August, September bring you're going to need a water break every 20-40 minutes, especially decked out in full PPE. I don't see overseers out there driving these Hispanic laborers to work 8 hours straight. They can take a break whenever they want, after all who is going to stop them. They need the job done right?
This seems like the type of regulation pushed by those who never have worked out in the heat before. Who in their right mind would even waste time passing a mandatory once every 4 hour water break? That's useless.
Are you joking?
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/politics/texas/article/Even...
> That kind of heat exhaustion is common for construction workers in Texas, nearly 40 percent of whom say they are not given regular breaks on job sites, even in the heat of the summer, according to surveys by the Workers Defense Project.
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> According to a Workers Defense Project report from 2017, more than a third of workers in Houston reported that they did not receive any rest breaks during the past work week
Seriously, did you think these laws--which are on the books right now--simply come out of nowhere?
> Cruz, 46, said she had not been able to take a break all day because of the pressure to finish the job
The article also links a report I can’t download due to too many redirects so I’m not able to determine how many workers were surveyed etc
Okay, so because it doesn't specifically use those words, you'll just disregard the statistics cited?
And that's ignoring the fact that worker intimidation is rarely so explicit.
Not much point continuing to discuss if the confirmation bias is that strong.
> The article also links a report I can’t download due to too many redirects so I’m not able to determine how many workers were surveyed etc
Does that matter?
Your claim is it never happens. I cited a study that says it clearly does.
So now we're at the nitpicking the statistical analysis phase? Oh no, maybe it's actually 30% plus or minus 10% 19 times out of 20 because of sampling errors and that somehow invalidates the fundamental point that yes, in fact labourers do experience this type of abuse? Thanks, I'll pass.
Once again: did you think these bylaws got passed for no reason at all?
Edit: but you know, here, I'll do the work, anyway, and give you the 2023 report:
https://workersdefense.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Build-...
They surveyed over 1,000 labourers, by far enough to generate a valid statistical sample. 28% of US born workers reported no breaks. Among undocumented workers that number rose to 46%.
Also:
> Your claim is it never happens
I did not make that claim. Please see my literal written words and do not misconstrue them to fit an imaginary argument we aren’t actually having. I think you are getting far too overexcited
Then what exactly are you trying to achieve?
Because you thus far seem unwilling to acknowledge that these laws have been passed to solve a real labour abuse problem, and that is, of course, the original disagreement that spawned this entire thread:
> I don't see overseers out there driving these Hispanic laborers to work 8 hours straight.
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> I haven’t seen it either. Where have you seen or heard about it?
This is meant to disempower local jurisdictions which pass laws contrary to Republican aims. Everything from Harris County's motor voter law that let people drive through vote to DAs saying they won't enforce state laws.
See also a law that targets elections in counties over a certain size, of which there is only one and leans Democrat.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/28/us/texas-voting-laws-harr...
This is crazy, I am sure the Lawyers are now looking closely to Case Law to e ready when the suite start flying.
If Texas is such a terrible place to live, why are so many people moving there?
Texas is not there yet, but IIRC this has already happened in India and parts of the Middle East. https://www.kxan.com/news/national-news/what-is-a-wet-bulb-t...
Wet bulb temp is technically “deadly” in Houston every year with relatively few deaths.
Because its legal to build housing there, unlike much of the country.
*: Perhaps there are some outliers - businesses that genuinely slavedrive their workers, or workers that genuinely can’t tell when they’re about to die. But are those businesses or workers likely to pay much attention to these laws anyway?
"The law will nullify ordinances enacted by Austin in 2010 and Dallas in 2015 that established 10-minute breaks every four hours so that construction workers can drink water and protect themselves from the sun."
Like, every 4th hour? You need to drink maybe every 15th minute if it is hot and you work with your body.
I smell a forced water break to ensure people drink water. But I should be clear that I have no knowledge of Texas construction work conditions.
What about on the other end (i.e., peeing)? "14-hour days and no bathroom breaks: Amazon's overworked delivery drivers":
* https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/mar/11/amazon-de...
"Amazon strikes: Workers claim their toilet breaks are timed":
* https://www.bbc.com/news/business-64384287
I wouldn't put it past some employers preventing water intake if water 'outtake' is a documented problem.
I believe "reasonable breaks" is a worker community and employer problem rather than a government one. It depends so much on the situation that general rules get worthless.
But I am all for a loose enough "right to pee and drink" law if it is a practical problem at some employers.
What? Of course it will. If I have the option to go pee every 4 hours it's a heck of a lot better for me and my underwear than if I only have the option every 10 hours.
My point I am trying to make is that construction work with "minimum break" in a sunny Texas can't be functional at all. There has to be more breaks?
So to sum up.
- Demanding a water break every four hours is useless because you need to drink every 15 minutes in this context
- Demanding a pee break every four hours is useless because… everyone has tiny bladders, I guess? This little pitiful rule is not better than having to go whole shifts without being able to pee?
I guess mandated lunch breaks are useless as well since you need to eat every hour at least under such strenuous conditions. Bah.
> But I am all for a loose enough "right to pee and drink" law if it is a practical problem at some employers.
It certainly must be “loose enough”. Thou shalt never inconvenience corporate management.
There is no reason to remove them.
I’ve worked in heavily OSHA-regulated industries (complete with “random unannounced safety inspections”, including being interviewed by OSHA). At least in my experience in Australia, OSHA was pretty good about enforcing the more effective and less onerous safety measures (that neither us nor our boss cared much about, but objectively did benefit from, so OSHA did good work there), and not enforcing the less effective and more onerous safety measures (some of which were frankly ridiculous, like requiring three points of contact at all times when climbing a staircase to a tool storage shed - it is quite difficult to carry anything up stairs when you have to have both hands on the railings whenever you lift a foot!)
Perhaps that is the best argument for removing these laws. OSHA has a lot of expertise in managing the balance of safety and productivity, so they should be the ones in charge of deciding on how often and how mandatory heat breaks should be. These laws made by non-OSHA bodies are perhaps too rigid: they could simultaneously be overkill for some situations (like indoor installations) while being wholly insufficient for other situations (like road repair) - and yet the workers, the employees, and the safety inspectors all working together in the goal of safety are unable to adapt them to the situation because it rests with uninvolved (and potentially even uninformed) lawmakers instead. I’d note that from reading the article it doesn’t seem like this is the major motivation behind the attempt to repeal these laws, although something like this is marshaled as an argument.
edit to add: apparently OSHA standards already limit work in 104F conditions to a maximum of 20 minutes per hour and unlimited cool-down breaks whenever the worker requests it, which is far more generous than these water break laws. There is some suggestion that in fact the real purpose of these water break laws were to give companies a way to circumvent the more restrictive OSHA requirements. Things may be much more complicated than they first appeared.
That was covered in the article:
--begin quote--
David Michaels, who was head of OSHA from 2009 to 2017, disagreed with the approach of HB 2127 proponents.
“Under OSHA law, it is employers who are responsible to make sure workers are safe,” said Michaels, now a professor at the George Washington University School of Public Health. “And we have compelling evidence that they are doing a very poor job because many workers are injured on the job, especially in Texas.”
Michaels pointed out that OSHA does not have a national standard for heat-related illnesses and issues citations only for over-exposure to heat after an injury or death, but not before that occurs.
“The better solution would be to have a national standard, but since we do not, local ordinances are very important for saving lives,” he said. “Prohibiting these local laws will result in workers being severely hurt or killed.”
--end quote--
> These laws made by non-OSHA bodies are perhaps too rigid: they could simultaneously be overkill for some situations (like indoor installations) while being wholly insufficient for other situations (like road repair)
I don't see how that would realistically be a problem, at least with the laws in Dallas and Austin. Their laws are 10 minute breaks every four hours. It's hard for that to ever be overkill.
If there is some fear that some cities might go farther and actually require so many breaks that it does non-trivially impact then it might be reasonable for the state to step in--but the sane way for the state to step in would be to make 10 minutes every four hours a state law.
I don’t know what to make of the former head of OSHA’s statements. Obviously his prior position gives him impeccable integrity but the things he’s quoted as saying just don’t make any sense. Like, OSHA absolutely does have national standards for heat-related illnesses, this is trivially verifiable, googling “OSHA heat” turns up dozens and dozens of info pages, safety posters, etc. on the matter. The only way I can make sense of his statement is by assuming there is some technicality regarding what counts as a “national standard”, or perhaps “heat-related illness” is a newly introduced category that is parallel to “heat exposure”, such that OSHA has plenty of regulations on heat exposure but none on heat-related illnesses. But that is deliberate deception, why would the former head of OSHA be deliberately deceptive about OSHA? Maybe this is one small comment mined out of a much larger conversation and the journalist is to blame?
Something just doesn’t seem right about any of this, so I am going to remain skeptical of the surface-level narrative that local ordinances are reasonable and this bill is trying to screw over or even kill workers in order to save businesses some money. (Please, once again, note I am also continuing to remain skeptical of the motivations of the repeal bill as well!)
You can just check the federal OSHA regulations for yourself: https://www.osha.gov/laws-regs/regulations/standardnumber/19...
I am certainly in the camp that Federal OSHA should be amended to include heat safety, but I can see how that would be challenging to do with America’s varied climates. Australia maybe and probably is different but whatever you experienced in Australia won’t be an accurate reference in the US, “OSHA” is the occupational safety and health administration of the United States. Anecdotally, I’ve heard australia has stricter construction workplace safety laws.
The state bill nullifies all local ordinances that introduce mandatory breaks, and that will include ordinances requiring construction workers get water breaks.
> Federal OSHA enforces heat-related safety under the Occupational Safety and Health Act's general duty clause, which requires employers to provide workplaces that are "free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to employees."
https://www.fisherphillips.com/news-insights/osha-unveils-pr... agrees:
> There is no heat-related or heat stress standard in place. Instead, federal OSHA has traditionally enforced heat-related hazards through its General Duty Clause.
I will happily admit I was surprised to learn that US federal OSHA does not have specific heat-related illness regulations and have been instead making do with Commerce Clause-style general regulation to enforce heat safety instead. But I was also correct when I said there is plenty of US federal (not state-specific) OSHA material on heat-related illnesses - that osha link above has a detailed breakdown including worked examples on how to use Wet Bulb Globe Temperature testing equipment to measure heat stress risks, tables of Threshold Limit Values, etc.
I also found a convincing explanation for my confusion as to why the former head of OSHA would say that OSHA does not have a national standard for heat-related illnesses when they empirically do have lots of specific material on assessing and managing heat risk: US federal OSHA is (as of October 2021) working on instituting a comprehensive national heat standard https://www.regulations.gov/document/OSHA-2021-0009-0001 and that seems to be why the lack of a national standard was emphasized - it is no doubt a mammoth and expensive task, and it is the natural order of bureaucracy that any such task must be continually justified to protect from bean counter cuts.
https://capitol.texas.gov/tlodocs/88R/billtext/pdf/HB02127F....
Maybe I didn't read it properly but water breaks are not under attack
https://efte.twc.texas.gov/d_breaks.html
"Rest or coffee breaks, defined as 20 minutes or less, are compensable hours worked under 29 C.F.R. 785.18, since they are regarded as being for the benefit of both the employer and the employee."
This is 29 C.F.R. 785.18, a federal regulation
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-29/subtitle-B/chapter-V/s...
https://www.hrmonline.com.au/topics/health-wellbeing-and-saf...
"You're doing it wrong at the local level, let me run things at the state level... but that same logic doesn't apply to the federal government!"
It takes some real mental hoolahooping to make that work.
Don't forget, companies kill people to increase their profits. There is nothing humane or good about our economy.
While a regulation and mandates usually requires an employer to keep extra records, cause confusion for a lot of smaller companies trying to comply based on each different governments rules, as well as generate more government costs to enforce, the Texas heat is nothing to mess with just as in many states in the south.
I would think an employer who has crews working in the heat would want their crews to be rested and hydrated. Someone handing heavy machinery and passes out, or god forbid, dies on a job would crush that company and cause hell on the general costs of insurance. Also with the number of construction companies, ones that basically tell their staff they can’t drink water I would have to believe quickly will find no one will want to work for.
I've never done something as difficult as construction, but I was a cashier, sanding still on concrete all day for 8 hours, no fun. I don't think anyone wanted to do that, but there they were doing it anyway. And there they still are every time I go to the store, no stool to sit on, standing still on concrete.
Your belief seems to be that if people don't want to do a thing, they wont, but that doesn't seem to be true when I look around.
I’d expect to see stools at union grocery stories (but I don’t) so it must not be that big of a complaint.
I have seen that almost all now have those padded floor things.
> (2) Kann die Arbeit ganz oder teilweise sitzend verrichtet werden oder lässt es der Arbeitsablauf zu, sich zeitweise zu setzen, sind den Beschäftigten am Arbeitsplatz Sitzgelegenheiten zur Verfügung zu stellen. Können aus betriebstechnischen Gründen keine Sitzgelegenheiten unmittelbar am Arbeitsplatz aufgestellt werden, obwohl es der Arbeitsablauf zulässt, sich zeitweise zu setzen, müssen den Beschäftigten in der Nähe der Arbeitsplätze Sitzgelegenheiten bereitgestellt werden.
Roughly translated:
> If the work can be done fully or partially while sitting or if the workflow allows intermittent seating, the worker has to have a place to sit at their place of work. If due to work circumstances no seating can be set up directly at the place of work, even though the workflow itself allows for intermittent seating, the worker has to have a place to sit close to his place of work.
Very roughly translated, sorry.
https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/arbst_ttv_2004/anhang.htm...
Is it maybe the point that not every commonsense-ism needs legislation backing it, IF it is truly respected and honored universally as common sense.
Or is this a news item because there are tyrants who forbid workers from drinking water and taking bathroom breaks? If so, that's bizarre and sad.
Go search https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/ for “bathroom” and you’ll find plenty of examples of low wage workers being limited in how long and how often they are allow to relieve themselves.
1. Emotions are bigger factor than logic when it comes to business decisions.
2. We often assume wrong on what a “rational” economic choice should be. We believe it would be constructive, but economically beneficial choice for an individual often does not align with the constructive choice.
There are countless labor issues that historically “weren’t solved by the market” because they were the right thing to do until a law was established.
If we let things solved by the markets with no laws, all of labor will be replaced by children smoking cigarettes who don’t get paid.
More generally, I think the specific question is: if a worker is choosing between two companies, one which offers water breaks and one which doesn't, wouldn't they choose the first? This makes sense in a case of labor demand >> labor supply.
An alternative question is: if companies face a cost for worker injury, why wouldn't they take better care of workers. But there's huge amounts of evidence (including my wife's as a resident at Ben Taub) that injured workers are discarded into the public health system (with no insurance). And by "discarded" I also mean "lose their job" as well.
Finally, the cities largely bear these costs with only local property and sales taxes to support them, but have found ways to get around barriers erected by undemocratic rural and suburban legislators, and no doubt will continue to.
(A) there is no singular market. Each city, job, bidding process, and work crew is subject to their own specific market forces and expecting all to behave in an idealized way is silly.
(B) Your assumptions about what happens in a healthy free market are incorrect.
There's countless examples that the market doesn't solve everything on its own. It's naive to think it will be different this time.
Safety need to be regulated.