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though then shouldn't the correct replacement part for the HD595 be a matched pair of drivers?

Supposedly, our left and right ears aren't even equal at birth...each having different pathways to the brain. Then, of course, unequal damage over time. Makes me wonder how much tediously matched drivers matter.

Our brains are pretty good at compensating for the failings of our bodies. For general recreational listening matched pairs are not all that useful since the majority of music is mixed with the knowledge that 99% of people are not going to listen to it on something with an accurate stereo image or even flat frequency response.

I had a sad realization after finally buying the very nice 6XX with a small tube amp - that while it sounds incredible, it also makes my hearing loss/tinnitus more prominent. Probably since I was focusing much more on the intricacies of the sound. Ended up selling them because it just wasn’t an enjoyable experience

Apple and JBL measure your ear and adjust according to the measurements. Apple calls it personalized spatial audio.

We are already asymetrical, adding (inconsistent) asymetry on top of it is not going to improve on it. That's why matching is... something we can do to improve audio. At least it's doable.

If you want a matched stereo image across the spectrum, yes. I have little experience with Sennheiser but most makers of the high end (studio grade at least) will offer both singles and matched pairs and leave it up to the buyer.

I've bought matched pairs of DJ stylus. The product descriptions waxed poetically about the reasons this was important, and if I cared, it might have even made sense. The sole reason I bought them paired was the simple fact that the pair was cheaper than buying two individuals. The exact same logic was applied when I bought a pair of monitors, and the fact that the seller offered a $50 item for free.

If you're into matched pair speakers, what about for surround systems? Do you have to have a matched 4 set or a matched 6 set?

From what I can tell, hardcore audiphiles tend to stop at stereo, so there's that. But if you're going to match speakers, I would think you'd want to at least match by type: match your fronts to each other, match your surrounds to each other, match your heights to each other, match your subs to each other. Just having all of one type be the same model is probably good enough though.

If you are into it, sure. This is a good question and I can not quite answer it too my satisfaction despite repeated attempts, but here is my best go at. Surround sound gives a larger sweet spot than stereo (that area in the room where you can hear sounds from speakers move about the room as if they were there with you) which will compensate for less than optimal speaker matching and we also get more information to process from those extra channels so our brain can make more sense of what it is supposed to be. This along with surround sound generally being used with film where our attention is divided makes surround sound more tolerant of speaker selection.

Hopefully someone more knowledgeable in 3d sound will happen along.

Edit: Should also mention that we get a lot more leeway in general when it comes to film sound since we also have visual cues regarding the sound's location and movement.

>Edit: Should also mention that we get a lot more leeway in general when it comes to film sound since we also have visual cues regarding the sound's location and movement.

For sounds coming from on screen, maybe, but the point of rear surround speakers is to get sounds from behind you where you have no visual clues. So that sort negates this argument. Although, I'm not really sure where the whole visual cue argument comes into play when deciding how matched pair vs non-matched stereo imaging sounds to people. A matched pair vs non-matched is not going to suddenly not sound stereo.

Imagine your left speaker is down 6db above 220hz and right stays flat, you play a bar choard at A 110 on a guitar that is panned hard left. Everything in that chord bellow 220 is hard left but everything above is now more in the middle and mixing with the vocals and drums which were set in the middle making things muddy. In reality we get dips and humps all over the frequency response and if they are not matched it spreads those sounds across the image and this can be quite bad. Play your A note and the fundamental is panned where you want it, the second harmonic is closer to center, the third is somewhere between those and everything else is more right, the sound is no longer isolated in the field where it should be. Now play your A an octave up (second harmonic of the previous A) and fundamental is closer to center, second is more left and so on, everything moves subtly. Apply that to an entire band playing with all of them blurred like this, the stereo image falls apart and we only get a vague impression

These examples are not exactly accurate to the real world, meant more to demonstrate the problem but we can hear it easily, this is a big part of why some speakers/headphones sound muddy and have poor deffinition. With more simple sources this is not much of an issue but as complexity increases the lack of matching becomes more noticeable.

In surround the rear speakers can be quite bad before issues arise since the shape of our ears and our head means we are not great at pinpointing the location of sounds behind us, we hear hard left and hard right behind us well but we have a dead spot between where things are not quite so clear. I would suspect some of the rear is also mixed into the fronts which would help, hard panning tends to be avoided as it does not sound natural. As I said, the surround stuff is a best guess on my part, I suspect I am in the ballpark but lack some of the nuances.

I had a problem with a bass driver on a pair of PMC studio speakers. I asked PMC directly whether I should replace one or both drivers in the pair, and they said to only replace one, that there would be no issues.

So, in response to replacing drivers, 'it depends' is probably closer to the truth. It may well be that bass drivers are less problematic than say midrange when pairing.

Speakers are different than headphones. With speakers you have a sweet spot, if your head is not in that sweet spot than the stereo image is blurred in someway and that image is affected by room reflections, the stuff in the room, volume setting, etc. This is why headphones are common for mixing, when you lean over to adjust that preamp you take the stereo image with you instead of moving out of it. We are more tolerant of speakers in this regard (from the studio standpoint) since the stereo image with speakers changes with your position and is rarely accurate compared to headphones. Midrange is the most important part and it is where the bulk of the information is for most of our music and our hearing, we get a lot more wiggle room in the bass and the highs.

It does depend, we don't always need or want that perfect stereo image but it makes mixing easier to have it available.

The correct replacement part not only isn't matched....it's the same part for the 595 and 555.

> Quite a few people speculated in my Original thread that the more expensive HD595 headphones must also be using a more expensive driver. However, Head-fi member MCC posted the smoking gun; a picture of the original Sennheiser replacement driver labelled “HD 555 / HD 595”.

So, unless they're fucking over their 595 customers who need a repair: the drivers aren't binned.

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