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This is not what I've seen at many places I've worked it. Plenty of devops people with only basic programming background plus a AWS/Azure certification course or two.

Also I work in AI/ML and hardly anybody has 10+ years of SWE experience before specialising. Most people start fresh out of a PhD or postdoc program or come from some sort of math or physics background.

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In my experience, it used to be 60% former sysadmins that didn't know how to code or approach problems from a software engineering perspective, and 40% SWE who liked doing platform stuff.

Now it's actually 80:20 due to software engineers becoming frustrated and disillusioned with the current state of things. Not only due to specialization and the push towards tool standardization (you don't get to build many custom components because we k8s all the things so most of the time you're just writing yaml/hcl), but because working with regular sysadmins gets extremely frustrating.

"Plenty of devops people with only basic programming background plus a AWS/Azure certification course or two."

This could be the entire problem. These are specialized fields. They are being treated like they are not.

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