Apartment rent growth is declining, shifting the market to the tenant’s favor
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I've been looking for a decent 1BR in Manhattan.
For something clean and decent, the floor is $4,500.
The 40x rent annual income requirement by many landlords, one needs to be making $180,000.
sigh.
It's important to consider the various factors that influence people's choices, as the question seems to overlook the complexities of life. New York City is a vibrant and diverse metropolis with a multitude of reasons that attract individuals. Let's try to be more realistic and understanding.
I can't speak for others, but for me, I actually like big cities. Watching people. Don't need to own cars to get around. Food variety. Interesting buildings. Cultural stuff.
I guess that's why people in NY pay almost 45% of their after tax income towards housing related expenses, which is the highest in the U.S.
there's no where else where I can have a tasty hot sandwich made for me at 2am
without it being a big deal
Of course, the real reason you have to be rich to afford a decent space in our biggest cities is because there isn't enough housing to satisfy the demand. Build more (and, critically, make it not incredibly expensive to build more), and prices will go down.
Oh and the food was amazingly fresh and tasty, without too much in terms of flavouring.
https://www.relatedrentals.com/apartment-rentals/new-york-ci... ($4,150)
https://www.relatedrentals.com/search?city=46&field_line_spe...
Your example listing is on Roosevelt Island.
Sure, administratively it's technically the same borough / county as Manhattan. But it's not physically on Manhattan island, and doesn't command the same pricing for that reason.
https://www.equityapartments.com/new-york-city/upper-west-si...
Richie and Pedro the doormen are fun if they still work there.
US rents slowing suggest to me that US housing prices might fall.
Not sure why you're assuming they'd ever come back from the stratosphere in the first place. All another rate cut would do is untether housing prices entirely from earth's gravitational field, as they disappear into space, like the prospect of homeownership for most people.
Canada is broken for young people. They should leave.
(I assume that a lot of the people with student debt are renters)
a healthy economy would disincentivize this sort of behavior
Blackrock and Vanguard are blights on this planet.
Corporate landlords weren't the ones saying "you can't build here because it ruins the neighborhood's 'character.'"
My personal opinion is that it's the culmination of policies incentivising housing as an investment vehicle, I know plenty of people who bought a first house when interest rates were low (or negative like here in Sweden), taking a loan as large as possible, which in turn pushed prices up, with the assumption that house prices always grow in value. When they grow in value the plan is to sell the first house, use the gains as a down payment springboard for their next loan on a larger house, rinse and repeat until you've built wealth.
Cheap loans inflated the price of housing very fast, building new housing got anchored on that price point, and now loans are not that cheap and developers don't want to build more if prices are crashing.
I have no idea how to break this cycle without a crash/bubble popping. If a government intervenes to create cheap housing (such as Sweden's Miljonprogrammet in the 60s-70s [0]) it will crash prices. It's a massive political issue because no one who has bought on inflated prices want to see their assets devalue, no politicians would survive in their career by implementing policies that would crash house prices.
Corporate landlords are just another facet of this imbalance, they can play around with their stock of vacant homes to keep inflated prices (something that a private landlord with a few units on mortgage really can't afford to do for long), they have money to scoop up houses selling below their target price, etc.
It's happening everywhere I see, everywhere where my friends and family live at, in multiple continents... There's something broken, and the correction is going to be very painful.
>Cheap loans inflated the price of housing very fast
Interest rates here are 0.5% for primary homes. That's not the problem. The problem is a lack of supply. Over here, there's constant new construction, and zoning codes don't prevent new construction or higher density the way they do in other countries. So houses don't appreciate; they depreciate. So people don't use them as "investments"; they're just a place to live.
>Corporate landlords are just another facet of this imbalance, they can play around with their stock of vacant homes to keep inflated prices
We have corporate landlords here too. High competition and lots of supply keep prices stable.
That's the core aspect for it to work in Japan though, it's a massive cultural difference in how houses are viewed as (and how policies were made) compared to other countries. The cultural difference is what blocks policies to increase supply in other countries, to break the culture of seeing a house as an investment and making current prices drop is exactly the friction point that demands some politicians to commit career suicide if they want to change it. I can only see it happening when the social fabric is close to a breaking point due to unaffordability, before that I don't see how Western countries that have pushed for generations housing as an investment to change course.
This backs up that limited supply is a large part of this. Japan's population has been decreasing for 50 years, so ignoring domestic migration trends, it has enough housing. It's also seen deflation for a long time.
I don't think this has ever really been true with any inclusive definition (white men used to, but nobody else). I would be curious where in the world that does not have a declining population that it is true.
This article suggests that there has been a small decline in home buying age, but it is not a big one.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehamilton/2023/04/21/ge...
Capital gains exemption
Mortgage interest deduction
30 year fixed rate mortgages
Depreciation deduction
Opportunity zones
The list seems to go on forever. The government uses tax cuts to juice real estate investment at everyone else's expense.
Does the person who take advantage of all these more likely to leave a housing unit vacant or make it available for other to rent?
I wouldn't be surprised. They do wield a lot of corporate voting power on behalf of their index investors.
I think this has always been the difference between a "job" and a "career". My first full time job was making pizzas. I worked 40 hours a week, dropping sauce and toppings onto squished bread. Nobody would have been able to afford a pizza if I would have been able to afford a home, in my state.
At say, 15 pizzas per person per hour, increasing your wages to $15/hour above where it was before (netting you $2500/mo for housing on top of previous wages before considering taxes/assistance) would add $1 to each pizza.
There are countries that have decent access to housing for the working class which aren't somehow impossible to dine in.
Not a restaurant owner but I'm curious how a pizza place consistently sells 15 pizzas/hour @ 8 hours a day... let alone more
More likely what's going to happen is you have "bursty" rush times where you need more people to scale up and dead times where you have minimal sales?
https://thinktank.pmq.com/t/how-many-pizzas-per-labour-hour/...
"With 2 Edge60 ovens and the right 4 people in the kitchen our best production has been 120 pizzas per hour."
"On my best night with 4 people putting them in and 2 taking them out I can do 60 an hour. Granted, we have 4 different sauces and some of our toppings get put on after they come out of the oven, but I’m certain we can improve that number. What more can you tell us about your set up?"
"We can get about 250 pizzas per hour done in a triple stack. It takes about 12 Insiders to make this happen. Drivers will also help out while they are waiting for deliveries."
"We can get 120 large (16 in) pies per hr using 4 marsal and sons deck ovens. Each oven can hold 6 16 inch pies. We sell smaller sizes too, so we can do a little bit more than 120 including those. ... We do that with 4 people (2 makers, 1 tender, 1 cutter)."
Pizza shops are not factories, for the majority of the day. They’re mostly empty.
Comment1: 30 pies per man-hour
Comment2: 10 pies per man-hour and thinks there's room for improvement
Comment3: 21 pies per man-hour
Comment4: 30 pies per man-hour
My assumption was a bit more conservative to account for that: 15 pies per man-hour, averaged over the course of the workday. Maybe I should have gone with 10 pies and a $1.50 increase? 7.5 pies and a $2 increase? Even with those numbers, my point holds.
And, again, I think this assumes some metropolis.
Source: me. I used to co-own a restaurant.
I don't see how this is true. It's more than 20%, since that's what you're expected to tip in the US, and that just covers the server.
Something tells me it's still possible to live with a 1950's "American Dream" standard of living off of a $15 to $20 an hour job.
No computers, no cell phones, clothes washing by hand, no eating out, etc. Generous 1000 ft. square foot house with two small bedrooms and a single car. Note that houses in Levittown ("America's First Suburb") were 750 square ft. [1]
I understand GenZ wants to live in McMansions full of amenities, close to the trendy areas of town, eating out more often than they cook, as is their aspirational lifestyle. But there's nothing wrong with living small-ish, rural-ish, within your means, and building equity instead of throwing money away.
I'm sure this is an unpopular opinion here. But hey, I started small, lived in some "trashy" areas of town (moved up from a trailer) and now 30 years into my career I live comfortably in a very nice place. It takes time and patience folks.
[1] https://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/91feb/9102house...
They're kind of scapegoats though: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/housing-cr...
They even come right out and say this stuff in their SEC filings, that if markets stop being supply constrained it'll negatively impact their investments.
This is just a Midwest city suburb too, so it’s not a market like SF or anything like that.
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4266459
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/11/us-housing...