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the US Government Warned Ukraine Not to Attack NordStream 3 Months Before Attack

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So the US government is now claiming that, no, it wasn’t them plus the Norwegians, it was actually the Ukrainians? And they’re really doubling down on this?

This would mean the US has sent nearly $100 billion to aid a country which attacked a NATO ally.

> So the US government is now claiming

No, this article is not based on claims by the US government. It’s based on claims by people who do not represent the government about the US government.

> And they’re really doubling down on this?

Well, no, they aren’t making the claim at all, so claiming they are doubling down are doubly wrong.

By NATO ally you mean Russia? Lmao

The NATO ally I’m referring to is Germany.

The Nord Stream pipelines are majority owned by Russia and the attacks happened in international waters.

And the pipelines feed Germany, the NATO ally.

Fed, because they were not in use anymore after Russia turned them off.

I don’t understand if you are joking. GP meant Ukraine of course.

Obviously not, Ukraine isn't in NATO.

No, no, he has a point.

I don’t understand what the US gains by pushing this theory. It’s implausible (or maybe straight up impossible?) that a tiny sailing yacht could hold enough explosives for scuba divers to individually plant on the pipeline near Bornholm.

Why are US Intelligence services promoting this theory? It would mean they’ve been backing a country that violated the NATO joint aggression treaty.

> I don’t understand what the US gains by pushing this theory.

The US isn’t pushing this theory.

> Why are US Intelligence services promoting this theory?

They aren’t. Unidentified sources of unknown affiliation cited in German media are claiming that US learned about a Ukrainian plot from Dutch intelligence and told Ukraine not to do it.

You are confusing the subject of the story with its source.

> It’s implausible (or maybe straight up impossible?) that a tiny sailing yacht could hold enough explosives for scuba divers to individually plant on the pipeline near Bornholm.

Huh? It's totally plausible. I don't believe it, but it's certainly plausible. Just how much explosives do you think it would have required? Even small personal boats can easily carry several tons of cargo, and that is more than enough to trash some pipes. I'm really struggling to think why and how you could think this implausible.

Why is it impossible? Explosives can be fairly compact, especially if its a shaped charge. Do you have anything to cite to backup your claims?

I warned my mother that my brother was eying up the cookie jar, days before taking all those cookies for myself. Just saying.

I'm just not buying it.

I believe the US did it, because they're the only ones to gain anything from that.

No, I don't have evidence, but neither does this article. Plus the substack article is more plausible than this lame attempt of disinformation.

Well I believe the Russians did it with equally no evidence.

I doubt any European actor did it because of the environmental impact. Ukraine, Russia or the US. If the Ukrainians did it then that was politically stupid but you'd understand where they're coming from. The US would benefit, but if they did it I'd expect them to leave strong evidence Russia did it.

I'm thinking Russia because they're angry that investigations are pointing the finger at Ukraine. You'd think that'd make them happy. But they seem to want to keep it vague with suspicion falling on the US.

Whoever was responsible would have been very capable of hiring a boat of Ukrainians to be present so I'm not expecting any good answers.

So who really did it?

That is a question, that can be answered with other questions, but then some questions have more questions that end up with other questions. It is a scenario made out of lots of questions.

archive link?

https://archive.ph/DLGT8

I use this handy bookmarklet: https://gist.github.com/573/e5cf230a03c5d53f848b58c3ced0bc95

edit: Forgot to mention that it also works nicely on mobile. I've added it on my desktop as "Archive this" into the bookmarks, and on mobile (chrome or firefox) I just type "archive this" into the location to activate it.

This place reeks of anti-americanism these days.

I hope the US did bomb the nordstream, because clearly Europe is too weak to stand up to Russia.

As a European, this is deeply embarrassing. It's embarrassing that Europe doesn't take its security seriously, and it's doubly embarrassing that it shits on the Americans.

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