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At what point should MO recognise it needs to leave Stack Exchange Inc?

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> While the MathOverflow site is operated by Stack Exchange, Inc., the domain and the MathOverflow name are owned by the MathOverflow corporation. The MathOverflow corporation is completely independent from Stack Exchange and its mission is to ensure the continued operation of the site in a manner that meets the needs and expectations of the community.

https://meta.mathoverflow.net/questions/969/who-owns-mathove...

Really interesting setup they have there, I had no idea. Seemingly Stack Exchange runs the actual infrastructure and provides compute/storage, but all the rest is operated by a separate 501(c)(3) nonprofit which at any time can pack up their stuff and migrate:

> Subject to Section 8, should MathOverflow wish to migrate its data outside of the Stack Exchange network, Stack Exchange shall, within thirty (30) days of receipt of a written request from MathOverflow, provide MathOverflow with a complete and current database that contains all the data necessary to recreate MathOverflow on MathOverflow's own servers and software. Following such transfer, Stack Exchange will cease all use of the MathOverflow database.

So I take it the context is that SO is restricting the moderation of ChatGPT, et alia, generated answers. Also, to a lesser extent, SO has stopped the the Internet Archive data dump because they don't want it to be used by ChatGPT, et alia. It kind of feels like they're approaching the problem from the wrong end.

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389811/moderation-s...

https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/june-2023-da...

The discussion seems to suggest moreso that SE wants to be paid for allowing training on the data.

The core of the MO issues seem to be related to the change of licence to prevent free use by openai etc when training llms?

Considering the value they draw from the overflow communities, and thy threat they do provide (I've stopped using SO...) I do understand their reasoning.

This post lacks an explanation of context.

Can someone give a TLDR of this “network wide dispute” and how MO has role in it that differs from others?

Stack Exchange won't allow moderators to remove AI generated content.

Didn't they said they would remove anti-GPT tool, because it had high false positive rate.

Looks like a bot was trained to mimic humans, and in trying to defend themselves from an onslaught of hallucinatory spam, moderators have been banning Real Life Humans for talking too much like a human-simulator.

The platform decided that banning new users for sneezing like a bot was bad, and directed moderators to let auto-generated content slide

moderators want to protect their human-made database from the Borg and are being prevented from doing so, outcome is volunteers stop volunteering.

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