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Anecdotally, in LA, I turn off FSD basically every minute while trying to use it, due to it doing something slightly “inhuman” or not ideal/too to the letter of the law, signaling incorrectly while staying in a lane that curves slightly, etc.

I can’t imagine letting it go for a full hour without causing some road rage or traffic blockage.

To be clear there is a definite driving “culture” in LA that is very permissive and aggressive (out of necessity). FSD doesn’t follow this culture.

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Now imagine it trying to manage a Dutch Roundabout - https://youtu.be/41XBzAOmmIU or driving in a city like OPorto - https://youtu.be/VIWikUUl5YQ

Or Naples https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCE1aUkeMe0

Well I was trying to still give a chance to FSD, but as you are raising the stakes...Let's agree to have Marrakech as the baseline - https://youtu.be/SsZlduEIyPQ

And we can also test it in Ho Chi Minh. Tesla says it has superhuman abilities... - https://youtu.be/1ZupwFOhjl4

> signaling incorrectly while staying in a lane that curves slightly

This is super annoying, but the most recent FSD update seems to have mostly fixed that.

It's still pretty crappy in a lot of other ways, but at least that improved.

> but the most recent FSD update seems to have mostly fixed that.

I have read this comment before.

I only started noticing it since the Autopilot/FSD fusion update a month or two ago. I haven’t been driving much the past few weeks so maybe it has been fixed.

> mostly fixed that

The problem is that issues may be fixed one week but re-appear later.

Self driving is not an exercise in fixing bugs despite what many people think.

Every time you disengage it invites you to leave immediate voice feedback as to why, and presumably they are using all this feedback in conjunction with camera and data feeds from cars that are opted in (which includes all FSD beta cars I believe).

So, they are getting what they need to make it better.

> Every time you disengage it invites you to leave immediate voice feedback as to why

lmao do people do this for free?

You're still driving, so it doesn't take any time. And not only can it lead to bug fixes, it can be cathartic to complain.

Worse, they actually think it matters and that Tesla looks at the reports or uses them for anything.

The problem with Tesla is the lack of LiDAR not training data.

You need to be able to accurately do bounding box detection in order to determine whether that billboard of a person is real or not or if that dog with a hat should be avoided.

Research has conclusively shown that vision only systems simply can't match LiDAR for this task.

Don't humans drive with vision only?

We have the world's most advanced supercomputer behind them.

And we also can move our eyes around in three dimensions to infer depth.

You are right that one problem is possibly humans don't drive with their heads fixed in place, they move their neck and constantly adjust viewing angles.

w.r.t. the super computer point, AI systems have been able to out perform humans for specialized tasks for a while.

Vision feeding into trained general intelligence.

We usually use our ears, too.

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