This is the death wobble for people who don’t know. https://youtu.be/eoc1EM6yUSc
In this video the rider handles it perfectly and doesn’t crash but you can easily see how this has caused many crashes. As I understand it, it is a harmonic wobble after hitting a bump that intensifies and is due to a flaw in the design of the rear suspension on some Harley Davidson models that they have chosen not to fix to keep the designs authentic. Make of that what you will.
Another terrifying variant on the “death wobble” is the “tank slapper”. This is typically caused by a flaw in the front steering (specifically having the steering geometry too vertical). Having the front forks close to vertical makes the bike handle very fast so is favoured by sports bikes however if the bike steers too quickly and hits a bump the steering will veer uncontrollably from side to side eventually causing the riders wrists to hit the sides of the petrol tank as the bike careers down the road weaving uncontrollably. The most terrifying part of all is slowing down makes a tank slapper worse so pretty much the only way it’s possible to recover from a tank slapper is to accelerate hard, get the front wheel off the ground and put it down straight. As a rider even thinking about the prospect of accelerating hard when in that situation makes me feel sick. Tank slappers are prevented by fitting a steering damper. I had a (crazy) friend[1] who bought a bike that was infamous for tank slappers[2] and then remove the steering damper to “see what would happen”. He had a tank slapper on the West Side Highway in Manhattan.
[1] Hi Kirat!
[2] Old Suzuki TL1000s
Mick Doohan was a master at this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bs0Kg-niVk8
If you spin the rear while you’re hanging off like a current MotoGP rider, you’re going to get flung into the atmosphere.
I’m sorry but this is conjecture about how to save or prevent a highside, you shouldn’t actually try to put this advice into practice.
When racing, if you have a hill crest that you’re accelerating over and you set the front down after the hill, it’s common to get a good shake. You learn to ride through it.
Highsides are particularly nasty, especially if you are knocked out so that you cannot control your crash and get rag dolled.
https://youtu.be/xjHaFOGBPzk?t=144
( As a physics note, you don't often see a three lipped wave:
https://youtu.be/xjHaFOGBPzk?t=346
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The highside happens when the bike is cornering in a skid and the tires regain traction but he angle of the bike is insufficient for the speed and the radius of the corner[1]. This regaining of traction causes the bike to flip towards the outside of the corner, throwing the rider over the high side.
A death wobble happens on any road (ie not just when cornering) and you hit a bump that the suspension can’t recover from which also causes a deflection in the steering. The action of the bike attempting to gyroscopically self-correct, coupled with the rebound of the suspension causes the bike to go into the wobble from side to side (if the bike has a steering or suspension flaw). You eventually get thrown off the bike either side.
[1] Given the speed of the bike, the angle of lean and the radius of the corner I would think it is often the case in a high side that if the tyre had not regained traction that the bike would have skidded out and the rider would have had a low side crash instead.
Simply not true? Lean a bike in a turn and jam on the brakes will give you a low side. No wobble.
Loss of friction holding the bike up through the turn. Went from static to kenetic.
My point is that a high side is what happens if you lose and regain rear traction, landing you in an unstable death wobble that immediately flings you out. It's possible to regain traction after losing it in a corner and not high side, you just get some wobble which you (more, the bike's suspension) can hopefully correct for. It's a matter of degree.
As you increase wheel misalignment with the direction of travel (and speed), more energy goes into the fling. As you increase lean angle (more lean means more time for the wobble to accelerate you) the fling gets more violent on one side and less violent on the other (the 'high' and 'low' sides).
Hence, the observation that high sides are what happens when you enter a death wobble that is already past the point of stability.
I race motorcycles, I have a mechanical engineering degree and build race motorcycles, spent a lot of time researching motorcycle suspension dynamics to improve my systems and I think you’re basically making this up.
We can chat about it more, but I’d like to see your sources so I can see what you’re basing this on.
It seems trivial to me that in both cases a perpendicular force applied at the road acts to fling you, and that said force comes from wheel misalignment with the direction of travel.
Is that not the case?
Here is an article on the physics of wobble:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_wobble
A high side happens when the rear tire breaks traction at lean, and is no longer able to hold the arc it’s trying to turn on. The forces in the tire, suspension, twist and deflection in the swingarm and the frame of the motorcycle rapidly unload, and the bike turns around the z axis if x and y are the flat plane of the road surface. Then catches traction, and that z axis rotation and gyroscopic forces becomes a violent flick to stand the bike up straight.
These things are totally different.
This is a broader claim than the one I made.
> A high side happens when the rear tire breaks traction at lean, and is no longer able to hold the arc it’s trying to turn on. [...] Then catches traction, and that z axis rotation and gyroscopic forces becomes a violent flick to stand the bike up straight.
How much lean? And how much traction loss / for how long? What if there's just enough to where a high side doesn't occur and the bike/rider don't fly off? Will the bike instantly right itself with no overshoot, without any sort of steering column oscillation? If there is an oscillatory response, what do you call it? What do you call it as you gradually reduce the lean angle to 0?
At near 0 lean angle, is this oscillatory response meaningfully different from the oscillation of a speed wobble?