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US had intelligence of Ukrainian plan to attack Nord Stream project

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13 pointsanonporridge16 comments

Kind of wild how after months of war propaganda desperately pointing the finger at Russia, a completely illogical suspect since they lost the immense leverage they had over Germany and wider Europe with the pipeline, the evidence is starting to come in that the more obvious suspects, namely Ukraine, are in fact the likely perpetrators.

I'll bet we also find out eventually that the dam sabotage was conducted by Ukraine

This particular report still strains credibility though. Capability-wise much more likely to be a US-backed operation. And the US gained the most from the situation.

I can see at least Ukraine had a little to gain by blocking Russia selling gas but what would they have to gain by losing the dam? A false flag isnt going to impress those already supplying them with weapons.

Apparently, the dam supplies fresh water to Russian forces occupying Crimea.

https://twitter.com/tuckercarlson/status/1666203439146172419

Im always going to take anything from the frozen food heiress with a grain of salt. Disingenuous is the best description I could give them. That said the russian occupying forces wouldnt need the amount of water supplied by the canal ... that is for residents. Im sure it helps and russia has terrible logistics but blowing up a dam wouldnt change their mind to occupy. Maybe doing it to force residents to revolt would make sense but then it would seem easier to blow up/disable the canal.

Who is the frozen food heiress?

> That said the Russian occupying forces wouldn't need the amount of water supplied by the canal

Crimea is very large. The black sea is salty.

The other possible reason is scorched earth - the parts of Ukraine the flood is affecting includes a lot of the area occupied by Russia.

A distraction from the thus-far unsuccessful counteroffensive, perhaps. The flooding damage is also greater on the Russian-held part of Kherson + this affects water supplies to Crimea. And we should flip the question - if Russia did it, what did they gain?

BTW the WaPo has reported previously that Ukraine has rehearsed this course of action in the past: https://archive.is/KP8EQ

"Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages."

Distraction maybe but the only videos of water rescues out there are in Ukrainian villages. Russia had little to lose in the area but poor citizens and we know what putin thinks of them ... as easy to sacrifice as bombing apartment buildings.

Are we doing emotional arguments again? This very thread is a reminder of how that went w.r.t the Nordstream. However little you think Russia had to lose, Ukraine had less

I suppose Ukraine may have had less to lose ... as Ive said here or elsewhere ... the only side of the river showing any actual damage is Ukraine. Anecdotally, I am seeing some less than reliable reports that russian troops got 'swept away' so maybe Ukraine had something to gain. Truthfully though, I have no reason to hide disdain for putins russia as they are the invading force and have been since they stole Ukraines nuclear arms with a lie and then invaded Crimea and so forth.

> A distraction from the thus-far unsuccessful counteroffensive, perhaps

A distraction from something that hasn’t even started yet? Seems unlikely.

> if Russia did it, what did they gain?

They stopped Ukraine from passing nearby in the counter offensive and they have destroyed Ukrainian agricultural resources for decades to come.

They get to displace and terrorise more civilians which is a major Russian tactic in pretty much all wars they conduct.

They are going scorched earth because they are preparing to leave and want to do as much damage as possible on their way out.

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