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Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this:

But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs.

Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.

“The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” Grey said. “Retrievals of this kind are not limited to the United States. This is a global phenomenon, and yet a global solution continues to elude us.”

huh? This is a current NASIC officer saying “The non-human intelligence phenomenon is real. We are not alone,” - isn't that in itself extremely weird/surprising?

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Yes, that along with the last sentence. It sounds like what you are ‘supposed’ to say when this type of revelation is made because we’ve heard it many times before in movies and books over the decades.

It's always some unnamed US gov unit hiding the discovery from the wider US gov itself in these ~~movies~~ I mean whistleblowing claims.

The Pentagon is full of self important buffoons.

Could be generic crap from crash sites of test drones, aircrafts, missiles, satellites etc if its secret stuff are ppl going to inform everyone on the planet?

Just never ending mindlessness thanks to the Attention Economy giving morons too much attention.

Why do you imagine yourself more competent than those "buffoons" who work in the Pentagon?

You believe they see some crap, jump to the conclusion it was "alien spaceships" and go on record declaring to have "working craft"?

I wonder who is who here.

Seeing the massive amount of fraud and dishonesty in science, especially when it comes to getting material published, combined with the government’s track record of lying and incompetence, the simplest explanation for all of this is dishonesty or incompetence

The astonishingly solid track record of utter Buffoonery coming out of people who work in that building (leading to millions of people killed, maimed and tortured), spanning multiple decades -- might have something to do with it.

BTW what the heck is a "generational officer"? is that just another way of saying he's from a "military family"?

> Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP has been his focus. Previously he had experience serving Private Aerospace and Department of Defense Special Directive Task Forces.

A career like this won't protect you from belief or developing an mental illness. Hope he is fine.

How dou you suppose your own competence to be sufficient to judge his claims "must be wrong" and on top of it attest this guy some "mental illness"?

If there was some Vegas sports book I'd bet the odds are in the direction he's a bit loony or lacks analytical skills at a minimum, or had any real data.

Gov jobs in intelligence isn't exactly an exclusive club for intelligent people after all. Which is usually where the bulk of credibility is built on.

> As our chart shows, the federal government grants top secret security clearance to large numbers of government employees and contractors: 1.25 million according to the latest publicly available figures.

https://www.statista.com/chart/29717/top-secret-federal-gove...

Here's an analogy ... one of the core devs of some important language finds a bug that would have wide ranging security implications world wide but doesn't really want to reveal evidence of it and his colleagues certainly don't either.

Imagine some smart pilot or govt official (with no knowledge of our field) saying "it's not like these guys work in some exclusive club for intelligent people" ?

There is zero public evidence across the entirety of science and human knowledge that suggests any of the claims are even possible. Everything we know about the universe and technology on earth says this isn’t possible. Either the government that isn’t even capable of keeping it spy secrets secret manages to keep this evidence secret along with every other nation on the planet, or someone is being dishonest or ill.

Where did i judge him or attest anything? Maybe i expressed myself badly, in a way that was easy to misunderstand.

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