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Respectfully, I wouldn't want my kid to wait till 19 to do that. I want them to get a job the moment they turn 14-15 (whatever the legal age is in my state). I am very privileged and want my kids to learn the value of money and what it takes to survive in the real world. I want them to work in a dirty shitty McDonalds where they see how tough the real world is. Yes I wouldn't send them to a meat packing plant but there is big difference between never working or just working cool summer jobs and working in a meat factory. I want my kids to experience some hardship where your boss is yelling at you to get shit done. As long as it is not full abuse. I want my kids to learn that the World is not rainbow and sunshines from an early age. I still love them to death and would die for them.

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I truly don’t understand the mindset that suffering is not only something that we should not try to eliminate, but something that we should actually indoctrinate people into.

The truth is that we haven't solved automated all the jobs that require suffering.

With the worry about AI, I was staring at my plumbing stack the other day for hours... Realizing, this is a shit job in the truest form, and I couldn't figure out how a machine could do it.

The reason to understand the suffering, to indoctrinate people as you say, is to teach people to respect those that have these jobs. Life is hard, and we are in it together.

I agree with the end you're talking about — respecting people who have difficult jobs — but I find the means bizarre. Can you not respect someone without having put yourself in the exact same position? Your default position should be empathy!

But you also glossed over an important point I'm trying to make: we should see suffering as a sometimes necessary evil and try to alleviate it whenever possible, rather than see it as some sort of virtue.

Why do you think work a worse fate than school? At least with work you get paid for your time and effort, and get the chance to network with people older than yourself

> I want my kids to experience some hardship where your boss is yelling at you to get shit done

This is a horrendous take, and I’m glad you’re not my parent.

They’ll learn the world isn’t rainbows and sunshine without being in a toxic work environment before they’re even old enough to vote.

See, that's where I disagree where a tough boss is considered "toxic" nowadays.

A "tough boss" is very different from a "yelling boss". If you can't control your emotions enough not to yell at your fellow people, you should have no power over anybody.

Why is a dirty shitty McDonalds more real world than an upbringing where you didn't arbitrarily force that on them?

If I want my child to learn anything about bosses that shout, is that you don’t let anybody shout at you.

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