Twitter fails to act on 99% of Twitter Blue accounts tweeting hate
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Also, there are no moderators anymore.
Because it has to pay $15B of its own takeover price and Elon scared away advertisers.
I hope somebody paid Elon handsomely for driving Twitter into the ground. Otherwise he doesn’t look very much like a good businessman.
Moreover, it seems most of the activists don't want to contemplate that bigotry runs in all directions and saying things about 'men' or 'white people' probably should fall under the same auspices ... which is why even as irresponsible and inconsistent as Musk is, he leans a bit more 'loose' than not which is probably preferable than ideological forms of censorship.
I also feel that as a society, we're going to get used to 'foul language' and that it just doesn't have the resonance it might have had.
Someone spreading fake papers saying 'doctors are trying to kill you with vaccines', with a ton of followers, is actually more problematic than some random dirtbag's side-comment.
The statement 'kill all men' is literally a call to violence.
Now of course (probably?) you didn't mean it as that, but it still falls well within purview of 'obviously moderated', probably immediately, by the automated mechanisms, and frankly, how could you expect anything otheriwse?
The fact that you're willing to admit your bigotry and blatant hate speech on another forum, as though somehow you're a victim, is probably an exmaple of how we tolerate trolling dirtbag bigotry, so long as it 'targets the correct side'.
My god man the lack of self awareness.
Full disclosure though, I do believe moderation should not be applied equally across political the spectrum, when one extreme goes against a protected minority, but I won’t go into further details here on HN, as it would go against the guidelines of not engaging in political battles.
Well said, it's like a neonazi taking pride in having advocated genocide of all Jews. This is why the "protected minority" ideology, whereby how people can be treated is based on the alleged victimization of their group, is dangerous.
I remain hopeful that US laws and regulations regarding "protected classes" will someday be successfully challenged by the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause.
The First Amendment applies to offensive speech too.
If you own a bar and fire the bouncer and Nazis cook meth in your back room and no normies come drink there anymore, don't blame the 1A.
That said "Hitler was right" posts are a good balance to strike? That's someone saying that mass genocide is okay... That's concerning to me.
The nature of the law is being a lot less cut-and-dry than this. But I think hate groups are a pretty readily available opportunity. And there's a lot of them that are operating pretty openly.
Like, I hope no one is wringing their hands that we might get the wrong "nazis" or the wrong "kkk". Let's start with the very straightforward obvious groups, and then we can have a hand-wringing conversation about where to draw the line. But let's not pretend like this is a hard classification problem with hate groups openly running around.
Hacky workaround until Twitter gets better or shuts down.
If it makes you feel any better Elon claimed that large block lists make Twitter lose money.
But the last 10 years certainly taught me that "how could they allow this and didn't see it coming and did something against it?" has a much more nuanced answer than I would have thought earlier.
Local laws vary, and I believe some commonwealth countries have pretty draconian ones, but outside direct calls for physical violence, I think it's an immediate slippery slope to telling people they can't say categories of things. If the kind of comments here are the worst that result, I don't think that's really a problem.
“The black culture has done more damage [than] the klan ever did” “The Jewish Mafia wants to replace us all with brown people” “Trannies are pedophiles” “Diversity is a codeword for White Genocide” “Hitler was right”, accompanied by a montage of the former dictator Black people belong “locked in cages at the zoo” LGBTQ+ rights activists need “IRON IN THEIR DIET. Preferably from a #AFiringSquad”
The terms of use of the service.
This shit's awful and unsubtle OP is living in a bubble if they think this is actually a slippery slope.
Translation: Some "researchers" flagged a bunch of tweets they didn't like and then got mad when the accounts weren't bad 4 days later.
EDIT: Wow the votes on this comment are going "up and down more than an Essex birds underpants" as the BOFH would say. Seems like some people are taking umbridge with my summary.
The substack Fisted by Foucalt also talks a lot about the role of NGO's in color revolutions
It's a bit like Zero Hedge in that it's one of those places where they like to talk about how the 'World Really Works!' aka 'behind the curtain' and they do so with some actual insight and intelligence, but ultimately there's a lot of BS and lies, and plenty of over misinformation.
The author is also a pro-Putin fascist / apologist who thinks that Putin's invasion of Ukraine must somehow be the result of Russia's victimization by other countries.
It's not real.
https://twitter.com/tylerthecreator/status/28567082226430771...
You know you can block people or just log off and move on right?
It really is not that serious.
If we are going after Twitter, we should also go after shutting down other internet cesspools like Gab, the chan boards and others.
The power I have is logging off and not feeding these trolls, that seemed to work well all the time.
Carried through to its natural conclusion, we will end up in fascist states, young people will end up in prison or we’ll end up with more innocent victims. All options are bad, it’s just a question of worst.
The chan boards fit more of this example you're talking about of this sort of behavior which predates Twitter.
No moderation, no blocking, just 24/7/365 of hate all day.
Yet, for 20 years it isn't erased from the web.
Twitter may be bigger, but I would say those chan boards that are smaller are much much worse.
Adults can still disseminate hate on other online channels.
Usually ignoring them, not giving them attention and just sending them to the forces.
Should you really give attention to them, the wisdom of the crowd that engages in (doxxing) is already a major deterrent, although I disagree with this, which is why ignoring them already works.
What do you mean by “real” here?
It's not real.
They're just trolls, bots on the internet trying to garner attention, especially now that everything is getting a whole lot fake these days.
I would highly doubt any real person would do what they write of in real life.
So what is said on Twitter is just more amplified and selective than what goes on in real life and is best ignored.
Because it isn't real.
> I would highly doubt any real person would do what they write of in real life.
Why? It’s certainly a thing that people have done. What makes these people any different?
It looks like this account has been suspended, Twitter doing it's job well there getting rid of trolls.
Ah, good on Twitter. Basically it was someone whose every tweet was talking about how great Hitler was.