-> People with guns don't give up their liberty when tyrants and fascists try to tell them...
If you hold a gun as a protection against your gonverment, something is seriously wrong.
If you hold a gun as a protection against your gonverment, something is seriously wrong.
Not at all, this is just the way things are, and if you studied history correctly you'd realize this and be educated enough to rationally think about these things instead of repeating a common indoctrinated response. Unfortunately most people who have attended compulsory k-12 education are fighting against some level of indoctrination whether they know it or not. There are numerous factors designed to rob people of their reason and its a rare individual who overcomes this.
Systems work either because of the distribution of labor, or corruption, that enables them to overcome friction and enact change in a productive direction.
In centralized systems, the distribution of labor is not effective because you are not free to build those systems from the ground up (decentralized). Its top-down and concentrated. The people in these systems do not do this for free, they seek benefits as does anyone in a distribution of labor, and this is oft referred to as corruption since it is working outside the defined top-down system's provided benefits.
People over time are almost always incapable of limiting themselves when they are raised above others, there's a biological component which affects dopamine related to heirarchy. Its the same in lobsters, which is why some anti-depressants actually work on lobsters.
Power increases heirarchy, affecting dopamine levels, you run into the same issues of those at the top always striving for more; and it never being enough. In this particular context seeking more power than has been granted is a problem.
Over sufficient lengths of time, governments become corrupt. They start passing laws with no legal basis, and use their power to compulse, coerce, and increase their power and control through enforcing these laws which they had no authority to pass in the first place.
There are many written accounts of this, some of the most famous being Thomas Paine who described the destruction of the Bastille and the French Revolution.
This is the natural lifecycle of government. When governments are unable to correct issues internally, they devolve into fascism. When facing fascists, they will take whatever they can; as determined by the people with pull until people stop them; the cycle starts over, generations forget, hubris sets in; and it repeats.
The only thing stopping them is your ability to defend yourself and your property making the cost more than the benefit. Its why this was written into the constitution. Its happened many times in recorded history.
It almost always starts with corruption by dependency. Making the majority of people or a population completely dependent upon the system for survival. It often creates a problem and then utilizes tactics that the only reason something couldn't be fixed is because their power isn't enough which is plausible; but its never enough and neglects the origin of the problem. History is full of examples where people have lied to gain more power.
Slow small corruptions over time that build into larger and larger corruptions, finally to laws without a legal basis of authority that can be applied arbitrarily to anyone the leaders or their delegates choose.
People living through these times normalize this behavior because they have no choice. Its a psychological coping mechanism. Eventually a destabilization event occurs breaking any dependencies for authority and you have fascism/authoritarianism, such as what happened in Germany starting with the Reichstag Fire (1933) that ultimately paved the way for WW2.
Timothy Snyder did a series of videos on Tyranny. You may find these interesting as a starting point for further self-directed education as he is a credible source, being a Yale Historian with background in the Holocaust and more recent history.
Most of what we are taught in school is incomplete in an intentional way, and misleads towards wrong viewpoints because we weren't provided all the appropriate information, nor were we biologically developed enough or trained to think critically and rationally.
Much is taught by rote prior to the age of reason and students conditioned for boredom as was done in the original compulsory education our education system was based off which originally came from Prussia to train obedient patriotic unthinking soldiers.
Our system is designed to train obedient workers. Critical thought is not what its designed to teach, they only teach what promotes an obedient worker which is why they don't teach you about money or other things that would help you be successful, success outcomes are only a secondary objective and that is a structured design.
I believe the true revolution is forgiveness - no matter how idealistic it sounds. It's far above any system or regime. You have always a choice.
If you have detente or parity (i.e. both sides can defend themselves), the choice you often have in those cases is, will you, your spouse, and your children choose to become slaves for all time. All it takes is obedient consent, will you fight for your family or choose to die instead. The societal mechanics involved don't allow a third option. Slave or Fight/Die, that is the choice.
Basically, first they come for <someone who they say has done horrible things>... then they come for <your neighbors> ... and finally they came for you and there was no one to speak against them on your behalf.
You clearly have never heard of Sophie's choice, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you did.
Its a common setup with coercion, and used by corrupt entities to coerce behavior that ultimately causes suffering. People that suffer or who are put into an unstable psychogical state are more malleable and vulnerable to certain psychological attacks and tactics designed to indoctrinate. Look up the term struggle session, and what that entails.
Saying you have a choice is extremely naively and misguided. It lacks a true understanding of how the world actually works with regards to coercion.
Here's a form of Sophie's choice. An evil person/group has captured you and is holding you and your three siblings (brother and two sisters) captive. He gives you the choice of choosing one of your siblings who will not be killed, and he will kill the rest. They are present when he says this, and he emphasizes that failure to make a choice by the time specified means he kills them all. What is your choice, you always have a choice.
Regardless of what you choose, any survivors will hate you until their dying day because you killed the others, by choice. Failing to choose one, means you chose to have all of them die, and they realize you didn't love them enough to choose; in their final moments.
Do you really always have a choice? Is a coerced choice a choice?
These are important questions which you seem to not have thought through at all. They are normally covered in an intro to philosophy course, though coercion is not touched on normally until later coursework.
Some entities are perfectly fine with killing you, chopping you up and selling your organs, or using you as slave labor, or re-educating your ideology.
Choice is an illusion, in many cases, anyone saying otherwise as a generalization is naive; misguided, and uneducated, and a danger to anyone that would potentially believe it because they are inspiring a false/limiting belief in those people that would/could persist over their lifetime or beyond (a greater evil). It negatively impacts the fitness of all future descendants as an ideological contagion, until the resulting forces of natural selection and lack of adaptability ends their line (extinction).
If you inspire a false belief, you are responsible for all the suffering and negative outcomes that arise as a result of teaching that belief to others, both directly and indirectly. This is true even if you have no intent, or knowledge of what you do; because you should have known and done research, especially after someone brought it to your attention.
For there to be a choice, the person must accept and make a decision of their own free will with sufficient knowledge and without constraint such as coercive or malign influence.
Very few real choices actually exist these days since corruption by dependency and outright coercion robs you of your agency and choice, in an attempt to manufacture your consent which the law deems as necessary.
This occurs often without your knowledge because they don't teach this stuff in compulsory education (by design). Anytime you've simply clicked through one of those software EULAs, you've given consent but not necessarily had a choice.
I hope you re-examine those paper-thin limiting beliefs you hold.
Sophie's choice is made up situation by someone, who decided do serve the evil.
If you don't believe in humans free will, what's to point of living for you?
Falseness, and the teaching of false and limiting beliefs is one of the greater evils, and unlike many things its not just normative and thus can't be discounted as such because it results in actual loss at some point.
> But somehow, human's still live and coexist together.
That's purely survivor bias and our limited power to destroy each other. Organized warfare was not present until population centers outgrew their resources.
Sophie's choice is a framework, and its not made up, people have used it.
> If you don't believe in humans free will
I never said that, I said choices are very few. That's putting words in my mouth, and we're done.
We, as humans, have limited knowledge. One could teach false that truly believe in. That is why need to accept mistakes. To be able forgive each other. We need to be open for dialogue and cultivate a common language. To move on and build something valuable. Violence broke all of this and never change mind of opponent, it makes opposite. It strengthens the conviction.