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This is why having opensourced models is important. This is also why a lot of the lobbying around wanting regulation is happening. Imagine this, the plebs get the neutered AI, the people at the top get raw Open AI GPT4+

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It's really disturbing to see yet another industry spring up where the incumbents rush to seek regulation to keep everyone else down.

They can only do this in the USA. The battle bottleneck is going to be GPUs and countries that have access to it will leap ahead of the US if arbitrary regulations are put in place to neuter LLMs in the US.

You can lobby in every country, what do you mean

I think the healthcare industry case in the US is a great example of how regulatory capture works against the consumer.

Okay. you can do regulatory capture in many countries too

You’re just saying random things about US industries as if it’s insightful because you saw a documentary once, well that’s what its reading like

It only takes one country to host an open source AI model thanks to the internet.

Unless your country of residence decides to block access to that model, or the model's country of residence decides to apply a customs-like regime to its internet.

That's much harder to do and effectively impossible in the US/EU.

And where lobbying is illegal, only criminals can do it!

LLM progress is likely going to have a deteriorating curve like nearly all ML / AI tech.

It's possible things aren't going to get substantially better from GPT-4 for a while.

The idea that new players will surely zoom past seems bold, especially when established incumbents with massive budgets and proven track records in the space are struggling to keep up...

Checkout Claude, from Anthropic. It's a team of ex-OpenAI folks. The results I've seen from it thus far have been most impressive.

I think the next wave will focus on the emergent organization of information and zero shot solutions that some of these models seem to be showing in cases.

On the other hand, I really wish somebody had rushed to seek regulation when, say, fossil fuels were being developed.

Google and OpenAI have more or less acknowledged that open source is going to dominate, in part due to the guardrails that corporations will be expected to put in place to "protect" their "vulnerable" population from the effects of "bad AI."

The truth is the AI only "hallucinates" as bad as the input (prompt) the user gives it. If you're explicit in your prompts then more often than not you will get explicit answers, instead of random answers as a result of your failure to provide clarity in what it is that you seek.

I'm so tired of this "regulations bad" trope.

Most of the time, regulations do good. When I was young the Hudson River was a toxic cesspool of chemical filth. Now the river is slowly becoming a habitat again. The EPA does a whole lot of good.

If you're afraid of Microsoft reaching its tendrils into OpenAI and corrupting its original purpose, as you probably should be, then maybe you should consider supporting regulations that democratize access to models, for example.

Just because they are against AI/ML regulation doesn't mean they are against environmental regulation. The post you're replying to is not saying that all regulation is bad, merely that the lobbying around this specific piece of regulation seems bad. I agree with you that a lot of regulation is good, but I also agree that some of the proposed regulation seems bad too.

A link to said proposed regulation and a comment about what is bad about it specifically would be constructive :)

I'm guessing this:

https://archive.is/mvlO1

There is no specific policy discussed in that article and there wasn't much specific discussed in the hearing either.

>>I'm so tired of this "regulations bad" trope.

Yeah. Back in India, around 20 years ago, a factory owner near my house used to keep weak hyrdochloric acid in the fridge with water bottles. To save money, he would use... you guessed it, old water bottles (since the acid was very diluted).

Guess what happened one day when a worker confused the 2?

The owner son boasted to me how his father had paid the medical expenses of the worker, how nice he was etc etc.

And today I think, what would have happened if this had happened in the US/UK? The business owner would no longer be in business.

There is a reason these regulations are so hard ass; because they've had to cope with shit like this. Now sure, sometimes the regulations go overboard and end up harming the industry, but thats not an argument for "Muh, regulations bad ".

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