Comment by reaperman | Hacker News Reader

Comment by reaperman | Hacker News Reader

This is underselling the timeline a bit.

Climate change due to industrial emissions of CO2 has been known and published in mainstream news articles since at least 110 years ago.[0][1] It's been known and discussed in public by professional scientists for over 140 years[2]. The great inaugural Nobel Prize winner, Arrhenius, wrote a paper on the topic in 1896[3] which cited Fourier's publication from 1827[4]. More generally, global greenhouse effect of CO2 has been known for at least 185 years[4], a decade earlier than the last founding father of the United States died.

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0: The Rodney and Otamatea Times (Aug 1912) https://www.livescience.com/63334-coal-affecting-climate-cen...

1: Popular Mechanics (Mar 1912): https://books.google.com/books?id=Tt4DAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA341&lpg=...

2: Nature (1882): https://www.nature.com/articles/027127c0

3: Journal of Science (Apr 1896) https://doi.org/10.1080/14786449608620846

4: M ́emoire sur les Temp ́eratures du Globe Terrestre et des Espaces Plan ́etaires, M ́emoires d l’Acad ́emie Royale des Sciences de l’Institute de France VII 570-604 (1827): https://geosci.uchicago.edu/~rtp1/papers/Fourier1827Trans.pd... (English Translation)

and i’m quite literally seeing posts from people earnestly asking why they’re having a hard time finding property insurance in florida. and others earnestly asking “who could have seen this coming?”

A friend from high school’s parents were vehemently, angrily, argue-with-kids-in-the-car in denial of climate change and 15 years later they have moved to the border of Canada because the winters in southern new england aren’t the same anymore and the summers are even more uncomfortably hot and humid.

Per my friend, they are still positive that climate change is a big hoax and have a list of confabulated explanations for why that’s as long as ever. (I remember one frequent highlight being that you can’t trust historic temperature readings, because the scientists just “changed how they read the temperature,” because they “want more funding”. It always came back to the duplicitous capture of “funding.”)

It just seems like a completely different view of the world at its fundamentals.

"Different view" is an interesting way of saying "completely misunderstanding"

There is local climate change and there is global climate change.

The “climate change caused by CO2” argument is about the latter, local change goes on continuously.

The average global troposphere temperature change over the last forty years is half a degree centigrade.

That would not cause someone to move.

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